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#271 From: "robinson@coes.latech.edu" <robinson@coes.latech.edu>
Date: Fri Aug 1, 2003 7:15 am
Subject: Re: Digest Number 113
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>I always felt like an outcast at the meetings, has
>been ten years since I attended one.
>
>david savage ba. atp
>

David,
It would be interesting to all as to why you felt as an outcast, and
what would need to be done to make the group feel more inclusive to
you. Are you and others in your situation turned off by the very name
of the psg, or more so by the actions or inactions undertaken by the
psg at and between its meetings at RESNA (i.e., the psg's scope)? I
think that this is the real essence of the debate on the psg name.

-Charlie R.

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Charles J. Robinson, D.Sc., P.E.     Fellow IEEE, Fellow AIMBE
Max and Robbie L. Watson Eminent Scholar Chair in
      Biomedical Engineering and Micromanufacturing, and
Director, Univ. Center for Biomedical Engineering and Rehab. Science (CyBERS)
Louisiana Tech Univ; 711 S. Vienna; Ruston, LA 71270-5845
Phone 318-257-4562    Fax 318-255-4175
Email <c.robinson@ieee.org> (PREFERRED) or <robinson@coes.latech.edu> (LOCAL)
Web:  <http://www.cybers.latech.edu/cjr.html>

Senior Rehabilitation Research Career Scientist
Overton Brooks VA Medical Center, Research Service Bldg 33 (151)
510 E. Stoner Av., Shreveport, LA 71101-4295
Phone 318-424-6080  for Research Service;    Fax 318-429-5733
If no answer, go through the switchboard 318-221-8411 (push 1- then X 6710)
(Generally there on Tuesdays and Thursdays)

Adjunct Professor, Department of Orthopaedic Surgery, LSU Health
Science Center, Shreveport, LA

Founding, but Past Editor, IEEE Transactions on Rehabilitation Engineering

*************************************************
I expect to pass through this world but once.
Any good that I can do, or any kindnesses that I can show,
let me do them now, for I shall not pass this way again.
              -Paraphrased from British author John Galsworthy
*************************************************

#272 From: "Paul Schwartz" <schwartzpa@uwstout.edu>
Date: Fri Aug 1, 2003 7:43 am
Subject: Re: what's in a name?
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In the spirit of enginerdness, that would be    "PSG squared"


> Alternatively, I would favor calling ourselves the "Paul Schwartz Group"
> so we could be the "PSG-PSG".
>
>

#273 From: "carlya" <carlya@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri Aug 1, 2003 8:35 am
Subject: entering the field
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Hello Everyone,
I'm a licensed Mechanical Engineer with a masters in
Bioengineering.  I would like to enter the field of rehabilitation
engineering/assistive technology, but need advice on the best
way to do this.  I'm new to the Seattle area, so I'm just now
becoming familiar with local hospitals and companies.  I've
found that searching for "rehabilitation engineering" jobs is not
fruitful; is my best bet to contact rehab clinics and assistive
technology suppliers?

I've taken RESNA's Fundamentals of Assistive Technology
course and my masters thesis involved research on a pressure
reducing seat cushion, but that is the extent of my AT
background.  Will that be a limiting factor?

I'd appreciate any advice, tips, or contacts in the Seattle area!
Thanks,
Carly Anderson
carlya@yahoo.com

#274 From: "Gary Downey" <gary.downey@ergo-online.net>
Date: Fri Aug 1, 2003 9:31 am
Subject: RE: entering the field
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Carly,
 
If you haven't done it yet, I'd contact your state AT project and introduce yourself.....
 
Washington Assistive Technology Alliance (1993)
University of Washington
Center for Technology and Disability Studies
CHDD South Building, Room 104
Box 357920
Seattle, WA 98195-7920
Project Director: Debbie Cook
Phone: 800.214.8731 (Information & Referral)
Phone: 206.685.4181
Phone/TTY: 800.841.8345 (In State)
TTY: 206.616.1396
Fax: 206.543.4799
Email: uwat@u.washington.edu
Web:
http://wata.org
You might also check out the RESNA website for a listing of Assistive Technology Practitioners (ATPs) in your area.
 
It looks like you are well on your way with your PE license and Master's degree. Welcome!
 
Gary

Gary Downey, PE, ATP
Ergo-Online
3020 SW 33rd Street, Suite E
Topeka, Kansas 66614
785-224-9622
gary.downey@ergo-online.net

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: carlya [mailto:carlya@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 10:35 AM
To: RESNAre-psg@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [RESNAre-psg] entering the field

Hello Everyone,
I'm a licensed Mechanical Engineer with a masters in
Bioengineering.  I would like to enter the field of rehabilitation
engineering/assistive technology, but need advice on the best
way to do this.  I'm new to the Seattle area, so I'm just now
becoming familiar with local hospitals and companies.  I've
found that searching for "rehabilitation engineering" jobs is not
fruitful; is my best bet to contact rehab clinics and assistive
technology suppliers?

I've taken RESNA's Fundamentals of Assistive Technology
course and my masters thesis involved research on a pressure
reducing seat cushion, but that is the extent of my AT
background.  Will that be a limiting factor?

I'd appreciate any advice, tips, or contacts in the Seattle area!
Thanks,
Carly Anderson
carlya@yahoo.com




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#275 From: Mike Anderson <mikea@cprf.org>
Date: Mon Aug 4, 2003 1:49 pm
Subject: RE: what's in a name?
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Paul, I would favor option "C", as it seems to most accurately represent the
RE-PSG membership.  Starting a new PSG would fracture the group and dilute
energy I'm afraid.

Mike Anderson, ATP
CPRFK, Inc.
Mobile Rehab. Engineering Services
316-651-5212
316-651-5206 <FAX>


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Schwartz [SMTP:schwartzpa@uwstout.edu]
> Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 2:48 PM
> To: RESNAre-psg@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [RESNAre-psg] what's in a name?
>
>     c)  name change--Rehab Engineers and Technologists

#276 From: "Blois, Terry" <tblois@cha.ab.ca>
Date: Tue Aug 5, 2003 8:10 am
Subject: RE: what's in a name?
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"C" would also be my choice: change the name to include Technologists.  Is
the majority of the group Technologists?

Terry Blois

> ----------
> From:  Mike Anderson[SMTP:mikea@cprf.org]
> Reply To:  RESNAre-psg@yahoogroups.com
> Sent:  Monday, August 04, 2003 2:49 PM
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> Subject:  RE: [RESNAre-psg] what's in a name?
>
> Paul, I would favor option "C", as it seems to most accurately represent
> the
> RE-PSG membership.  Starting a new PSG would fracture the group and dilute
> energy I'm afraid.
>
> Mike Anderson, ATP
> CPRFK, Inc.
> Mobile Rehab. Engineering Services
> 316-651-5212
> 316-651-5206 <FAX>
>
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> > From: Paul Schwartz [SMTP:schwartzpa@uwstout.edu]
> > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 2:48 PM
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> > Subject: [RESNAre-psg] what's in a name?
> >
> >     c)  name change--Rehab Engineers and Technologists
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#277 From: Ray Grott <rgrott@sfsu.edu>
Date: Tue Aug 5, 2003 8:30 am
Subject: RE: what's in a name?
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Here are some thoughts on the subject that I passed on to Craig last month in response to the discussion at the RESNA PSG mtg.

Ray Grott

. . . As for the role of non-engineers in the PSG, yes I do think it's an issue. Begin with the fact that much of the discussion over the last years has been about engineer-related questions, especially certification. Has there ever been a discussion about how to include technologists or find out what their issues might be? Though the issue has been raised, nothing significant has been done.

When everyone refers to "engineers," and most of the agenda is focused on the interest of engineers, it's hard to claim that this is an umbrella term inclusive of technologists. In fact, in the RESNA PSG meeting, Jerry said that the need of technologists had been addressed by the RET certification, which is clearly wrong, as the RET is specifically designed to create a separate classification unattainable by non-engineers (at least those who are not grandfathered in by the deadline)

OK, we've addressed as best we can, and to few people's satisfaction, the RET certification for engineering-types (i.e., those who crammed for tests in mechanics or electronics or fluids 10, 15, 20 plus years ago--and yes, the new folks graduating from AT-focused engineering programs). So to move on, lets try to truly open the ranks to the technologists as well. Or else be clear that techies have to find their own group.

Have I felt left out? Well, besides those hours when all the talk was about engineers, I've not felt "personally" excluded so much as off the agenda. Since many of us who are not in the research arena tend to do the same kind of work, regardless of our training,  I really want others who do very good work but who ultimately can't qualify for more than the ATP to also feel included and feel that there is a place for them in the PSG.

If we hope to bring in non-engineers to  the PSG, we need to be clear that all are welcome. We have to say "engineers and technologists" regularly until we all begin to mean it. We should change the name to reflect that. It's similar to RESNA's need to change it's name to Rehabilitation Engineering and Assistive Technology Society--one doesn't assume the other. And we have to do more than change the name. We also have to broaden the content of the discussions to be of interest to more people. Comraderie is great, we just need more of it.

-- 

#278 From: Kevin Caves <caves001@mc.duke.edu>
Date: Tue Aug 5, 2003 1:35 pm
Subject: Kevin Caves is out of the office.
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I will be out of the office starting  08/05/2003 and will not return until
08/11/2003.

I will respond to your message when I return.
(obnoxious, no?)

#279 From: Kevin Caves <caves001@mc.duke.edu>
Date: Tue Aug 5, 2003 1:39 pm
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I will be out of the office starting  08/05/2003 and will not return until
08/11/2003.

I will respond to your message when I return.
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#280 From: craigtwadsworth@cs.com
Date: Thu Aug 7, 2003 9:33 am
Subject: what's in a name?
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I think we should re-name the PSG to Rehabilitation Engineers and Technologists.
We really shouldn't split the group, because much of our power is derived from
the wide range of experience of our members.

Although I gotta admit I like the sound of the PSG-PSG.  :-)

Craig Wadsworth, ATP, PE
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craigtwadsworth@cox.net
cwadswor@dss.state.la.us

#281 From: "Rory A. Cooper" <rcooper@pitt.edu>
Date: Thu Aug 7, 2003 9:34 am
Subject: RE: what's in a name?
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I believe that that is a very reasonable recommendation.

Rory Cooper

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To: RESNAre-psg@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [RESNAre-psg] what's in a name?


I think we should re-name the PSG to Rehabilitation Engineers and Technologists.
We really shouldn't split the group, because much of our power is derived from
the wide range of experience of our members.

Although I gotta admit I like the sound of the PSG-PSG.  :-)

Craig Wadsworth, ATP, PE
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#282 From: Jon Gunderson <jongund@uiuc.edu>
Date: Thu Aug 7, 2003 12:44 pm
Subject: Re: what's in a name?
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Sounds good to me too.

Jon Gunderson

At 12:33 PM 8/7/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>I think we should re-name the PSG to Rehabilitation Engineers and
>Technologists.  We really shouldn't split the group, because much of our
>power is derived from the wide range of experience of our members.
>
>Although I gotta admit I like the sound of the PSG-PSG.  :-)
>
>Craig Wadsworth, ATP, PE
>craigtwadsworth@cs.com
>craigtwadsworth@cox.net
>cwadswor@dss.state.la.us
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Jon Gunderson, Ph.D., ATP
Coordinator of Assistive Communication and Information Technology
Division of Rehabilitation - Education Services
MC-574
College of Applied Life Studies
University of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign
1207 S. Oak Street, Champaign, IL  61820

Voice: (217) 244-5870
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#283 From: "Dave" <beetlegeuse6@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 6:10 am
Subject: Re: Digest Number 113
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It has been so long that I don't remember.  I should go to the next
available PSG meeting to get a fresh look at things.

David Savage, BA Eng, ATP, RET


ps:(that eng is for English Literature, although I did take physics
for fun.)

--- In RESNAre-psg@yahoogroups.com, "robinson@c..." <robinson@c...>
wrote:
> >I always felt like an outcast at the meetings, has
> >been ten years since I attended one.
> >
> >david savage ba. atp
> >
>
> David,
> It would be interesting to all as to why you felt as an outcast,
and
> what would need to be done to make the group feel more inclusive to
> you. Are you and others in your situation turned off by the very
name
> of the psg, or more so by the actions or inactions undertaken by
the
> psg at and between its meetings at RESNA (i.e., the psg's scope)? I
> think that this is the real essence of the debate on the psg name.
>
> -Charlie R.
>
> --
> *************************************************
> Charles J. Robinson, D.Sc., P.E.     Fellow IEEE, Fellow AIMBE
> Max and Robbie L. Watson Eminent Scholar Chair in
>      Biomedical Engineering and Micromanufacturing, and
> Director, Univ. Center for Biomedical Engineering and Rehab.
Science (CyBERS)
> Louisiana Tech Univ; 711 S. Vienna; Ruston, LA 71270-5845
> Phone 318-257-4562    Fax 318-255-4175
> Email <c.robinson@i...> (PREFERRED) or <robinson@c...> (LOCAL)
> Web:  <http://www.cybers.latech.edu/cjr.html>
>
> Senior Rehabilitation Research Career Scientist
> Overton Brooks VA Medical Center, Research Service Bldg 33 (151)
> 510 E. Stoner Av., Shreveport, LA 71101-4295
> Phone 318-424-6080  for Research Service;    Fax 318-429-5733
> If no answer, go through the switchboard 318-221-8411 (push 1- then
X 6710)
> (Generally there on Tuesdays and Thursdays)
>
> Adjunct Professor, Department of Orthopaedic Surgery, LSU Health
> Science Center, Shreveport, LA
>
> Founding, but Past Editor, IEEE Transactions on Rehabilitation
Engineering
>
> *************************************************
> I expect to pass through this world but once.
> Any good that I can do, or any kindnesses that I can show,
> let me do them now, for I shall not pass this way again.
>              -Paraphrased from British author John Galsworthy
> *************************************************

#284 From: "Scott Draper" <drapersa@ihs.org>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 6:10 am
Subject: Re: Re: Digest Number 113 (Out of office)
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I will be out of the office beginning Friday 8/8 and returning on
Tuesday 8/19.

Thank you,
Scott Draper
Biomedical-Rehabilitation Engineer
Iowa Health - Des Moines
Bio-Tech Services
(515) 241-8351
(515) 241-5098 (fax)
drapersa@ihs.org


>>> RESNAre-psg 08/14/03 08:10 >>>

It has been so long that I don't remember.  I should go to the next
available PSG meeting to get a fresh look at things.

David Savage, BA Eng, ATP, RET


ps:(that eng is for English Literature, although I did take physics
for fun.)

--- In RESNAre-psg@yahoogroups.com, "robinson@c..." <robinson@c...>
wrote:
> >I always felt like an outcast at the meetings, has
> >been ten years since I attended one.
> >
> >david savage ba. atp
> >
>
> David,
> It would be interesting to all as to why you felt as an outcast,
and
> what would need to be done to make the group feel more inclusive to
> you. Are you and others in your situation turned off by the very
name
> of the psg, or more so by the actions or inactions undertaken by
the
> psg at and between its meetings at RESNA (i.e., the psg's scope)? I
> think that this is the real essence of the debate on the psg name.
>
> -Charlie R.
>
> --
> *************************************************
> Charles J. Robinson, D.Sc., P.E.     Fellow IEEE, Fellow AIMBE
> Max and Robbie L. Watson Eminent Scholar Chair in
>      Biomedical Engineering and Micromanufacturing, and
> Director, Univ. Center for Biomedical Engineering and Rehab.
Science (CyBERS)
> Louisiana Tech Univ; 711 S. Vienna; Ruston, LA 71270-5845
> Phone 318-257-4562    Fax 318-255-4175
> Email <c.robinson@i...> (PREFERRED) or <robinson@c...> (LOCAL)
> Web:  <http://www.cybers.latech.edu/cjr.html>
>
> Senior Rehabilitation Research Career Scientist
> Overton Brooks VA Medical Center, Research Service Bldg 33 (151)
> 510 E. Stoner Av., Shreveport, LA 71101-4295
> Phone 318-424-6080  for Research Service;    Fax 318-429-5733
> If no answer, go through the switchboard 318-221-8411 (push 1- then
X 6710)
> (Generally there on Tuesdays and Thursdays)
>
> Adjunct Professor, Department of Orthopaedic Surgery, LSU Health
> Science Center, Shreveport, LA
>
> Founding, but Past Editor, IEEE Transactions on Rehabilitation
Engineering
>
> *************************************************
> I expect to pass through this world but once.
> Any good that I can do, or any kindnesses that I can show,
> let me do them now, for I shall not pass this way again.
>              -Paraphrased from British author John Galsworthy
> *************************************************



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#285 From: "Drew Britten" <brittend@msn.com>
Date: Fri Aug 22, 2003 8:13 am
Subject: RE: what's in a name?
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I would agree with calling the PSG Rehab Engineers an Technologists, especially now that we have the RET to differentiate between the two. However, I would like to include the following name possibilities for consideration:
 
After my wife Katie Gene Britten (KGB-PSG)
Uncovering Potential Creations (UPC-PSG)
Living Solutions to Disabilities (LSD-PSG)
Always Talking Verbosely (ATV-PSG)
Designers of Mechanical Zingers (DMZ-PSG)
and finally
Boxers of Briefs? (BVD-PSG)
 

Drew Britten, ATP, MSRE 
Assistive Technologist
Stout Vocational Rehabilitation Institute
Technology Services
2350 S Ave Suite 109
La Crosse, WI 54601
608-789-8998     fax: 608-789-8999
brittena@uwstout.edu

 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Schwartz [mailto:schwartzpa@uwstout.edu]
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 2:48 PM
To: RESNAre-psg@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [RESNAre-psg] what's in a name?

Dear PSG-04 folks,
 
At RESNA 2003, I floated the incredibly popular idea of reviewing the name of the RE-PSG.  Although the leadership wanted to spend all evening on the subject at the meeting, I demurred and agreed to bring it up again later in the summer.  For those not in attendance, my question was this: 
 
Are those without an engineering background adequately represented in this PSG?  The existing PSGs are:
 
suppliers and manufacturers
physical therapists
occupational therapists
rehab engineers
orthotists and prosthetists
slp/audio
educators
 
My sense is that those without an ABET degree don't feel part of the "club" and therefore are more apt to skip the meeting or not voice an opinion.  It may be argued that control is given to those who show up, but if they don't feel like they are represented, why should they?
 
A number of options are available:
 
   a) status quo--perhaps I'm the only one who thinks this is an issue
 
   b)  2 PSGs-- one for technicians and one for engineers
 
   c)  name change--Rehab Engineers and Technologists
 
   d) keeping the name, but adding the technologist verbiage into the blurb that accompanies the title in the annual conference program and website.
 
   e) pi * R squared
 
Anybody?
 
Thanks for your time,
 
Paul
 
Paul J. Schwartz, MSIE, ATP, CPE
Stout Vocational Rehabilitation Institute
University of Wisconsin-Stout
221 10th Ave/121 VRB
Menomonie, WI 54751
schwartzpa@uwstout.edu
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#286 From: "Craig Wadsworth" <cwadswor@dss.state.la.us>
Date: Fri Aug 22, 2003 1:11 pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 119
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#287 From: "Dave" <beetlegeuse6@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri Aug 22, 2003 2:00 pm
Subject: Re: what's in a name?
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Couldn't it just be the UBI--PSG?

Just see this for explanation:

  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3159813.stm


dave

-- In RESNAre-psg@yahoogroups.com, "Drew Britten" <brittend@m...>
wrote:
> I would agree with calling the PSG Rehab Engineers an Technologists,
> especially now that we have the RET to differentiate between the
two.
> However, I would like to include the following name possibilities
for
> consideration:
>
> After my wife Katie Gene Britten (KGB-PSG)
> Uncovering Potential Creations (UPC-PSG)
> Living Solutions to Disabilities (LSD-PSG)
> Always Talking Verbosely (ATV-PSG)
> Designers of Mechanical Zingers (DMZ-PSG)
> and finally
> Boxers of Briefs? (BVD-PSG)
>
> Drew Britten, ATP, MSRE
> Assistive Technologist
> Stout Vocational Rehabilitation Institute
> Technology Services
> 2350 S Ave Suite 109
> La Crosse, WI 54601
> 608-789-8998     fax: 608-789-8999
> brittena@u...
>
>
>
>

#288 From: Kevin Caves <kevin.caves@duke.edu>
Date: Fri Aug 29, 2003 12:57 pm
Subject: what's in a name?
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hi all -

sorry for the delay in replying.  i've been quite wrapped up in both
work and trying to fit in vacation before my daughter starts
kindergarten and my vacation schedule is dictated by the durham public
school system.

the discussion has been great.  thanks for input.  it appears that there
is support for the idea of a name change, but i would like to offer
folks the opportunity to present contrary points of view or alternate
ideas or suggestions.  please feel free to present these directly to the
list or to me privately if you prefer.

additionally, i'm seeking volunteers for a small working group that will
be responsible for the coming up with the following:

[1] a new name (or keeping the current name)
[2] the mechanism for changing through resna (we already have an idea of
how this can happen)
[3] a rationale for both of the above

i'm looking for a group of about 4-6 people who will agree to hold an
email discussion addressing the above topics and coming up with a
recommendation and plan.  i would like it if the working group could
report back with a recommendation and plan by the end of september if
not sooner.

please contact me directly to participate in this effort.

thanks - kevin caves

#289 From: Kevin Caves <kevin.caves@duke.edu>
Date: Thu Sep 4, 2003 7:02 am
Subject: what's in a name II?
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i'm still looking for 4-6 individuals to participate in this working
group about the name change.  i would like to have representation from
people including technologists, technician, IE folks, engineers and
anyone else i might have missed.  see my previous message below for more
info.  please get back to me asap.  feel free to email or call me
directly. 919/684-3540.

thanks - kevin

--

hi all -

sorry for the delay in replying.  i've been quite wrapped up in both
work and trying to fit in vacation before my daughter starts
kindergarten and my vacation schedule is dictated by the durham public
school system.

the discussion has been great.  thanks for input.  it appears that there
is support for the idea of a name change, but i would like to offer
folks the opportunity to present contrary points of view or alternate
ideas or suggestions.  please feel free to present these directly to the
list or to me privately if you prefer.

additionally, i'm seeking volunteers for a small working group that will
be responsible for the coming up with the following:

[1] a new name (or keeping the current name)
[2] the mechanism for changing through resna (we already have an idea of
how this can happen)
[3] a rationale for both of the above

i'm looking for a group of about 4-6 people who will agree to hold an
email discussion addressing the above topics and coming up with a
recommendation and plan.  i would like it if the working group could
report back with a recommendation and plan by the end of september if
not sooner.

please contact me directly to participate in this effort.

thanks - kevin caves

#290 From: "Gary McFadyen" <gmcfadyen@tkmartin.msstate.edu>
Date: Thu Sep 4, 2003 8:44 am
Subject: Re: what's in a name II?
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Kevin,
 
I will be on the panel if you want me.  I am an ATP and a PE in Texas.
 
Gary
 
 
Gary M. McFadyen, Ph.D., ATP
Senior Rehabilitation Engineer
T. K. Martin Center for Technology and Disability
P. O. Box 9736
Mississippi State, MS 39762

#291 From: "Law, David F." <lawdf@wwrc.state.va.us>
Date: Thu Sep 4, 2003 9:07 am
Subject: RE: what's in a name II?
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I'd like to help out if I can.  The wife is very ill lately, greatly limiting my overnight travel for the time being.  Just keep me in mind, if you need me.  Dave Law
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Subject: [RESNAre-psg] what's in a name II?

i'm still looking for 4-6 individuals to participate in this working
group about the name change.  i would like to have representation from
people including technologists, technician, IE folks, engineers and
anyone else i might have missed.  see my previous message below for more
info.  please get back to me asap.  feel free to email or call me
directly. 919/684-3540.

thanks - kevin

--

hi all -

sorry for the delay in replying.  i've been quite wrapped up in both
work and trying to fit in vacation before my daughter starts
kindergarten and my vacation schedule is dictated by the durham public
school system.

the discussion has been great.  thanks for input.  it appears that there
is support for the idea of a name change, but i would like to offer
folks the opportunity to present contrary points of view or alternate
ideas or suggestions.  please feel free to present these directly to the
list or to me privately if you prefer.

additionally, i'm seeking volunteers for a small working group that will
be responsible for the coming up with the following:

[1] a new name (or keeping the current name)
[2] the mechanism for changing through resna (we already have an idea of
how this can happen)
[3] a rationale for both of the above

i'm looking for a group of about 4-6 people who will agree to hold an
email discussion addressing the above topics and coming up with a
recommendation and plan.  i would like it if the working group could
report back with a recommendation and plan by the end of september if
not sooner.

please contact me directly to participate in this effort.

thanks - kevin caves


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#292 From: Ray Grott <rgrott@sfsu.edu>
Date: Thu Sep 4, 2003 9:54 am
Subject: Re: what's in a name II?
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OK, I'm in, because I feel strongly about the subject. But I don't
have time to lead the charge on this one.

Ray (technologist to the bone)

>i'm still looking for 4-6 individuals to participate in this working
>group about the name change.  i would like to have representation from
>people including technologists, technician, IE folks, engineers and
>anyone else i might have missed.  see my previous message below for more
>info.  please get back to me asap.  feel free to email or call me
>directly. 919/684-3540.
>
>thanks - kevin
>
>--
>
>hi all -
>
>sorry for the delay in replying.  i've been quite wrapped up in both
>work and trying to fit in vacation before my daughter starts
>kindergarten and my vacation schedule is dictated by the durham public
>school system.
>
>the discussion has been great.  thanks for input.  it appears that there
>is support for the idea of a name change, but i would like to offer
>folks the opportunity to present contrary points of view or alternate
>ideas or suggestions.  please feel free to present these directly to the
>list or to me privately if you prefer.
>
>additionally, i'm seeking volunteers for a small working group that will
>be responsible for the coming up with the following:
>
>[1] a new name (or keeping the current name)
>[2] the mechanism for changing through resna (we already have an idea of
>how this can happen)
>[3] a rationale for both of the above
>
>i'm looking for a group of about 4-6 people who will agree to hold an
>email discussion addressing the above topics and coming up with a
>recommendation and plan.  i would like it if the working group could
>report back with a recommendation and plan by the end of september if
>not sooner.
>
>please contact me directly to participate in this effort.
>
>thanks - kevin caves
>
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#293 From: "Patricia Bahr" <pbahr@gillettechildrens.com>
Date: Thu Sep 4, 2003 11:47 am
Subject: Re: what's in a name II?
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I have asked a Seating and Assistive Technology Specialist, ATP (non
engineering background) if he would be involved. He is more interested
in what we do at the meetings than a name change, but will probably
participate.

Will this be conference calls, e-mail chats, meetings in the sun in
January?



Patti Bahr
Gillette Technology Center
550 County Rd. D, Suite 12
New Brighton, MN 55112
651 634 1911 (voice)
651 628 4484 (fax)

>>> kevin.caves@duke.edu 09/04/03 09:02AM >>>
i'm still looking for 4-6 individuals to participate in this working
group about the name change.  i would like to have representation from
people including technologists, technician, IE folks, engineers and
anyone else i might have missed.  see my previous message below for
more
info.  please get back to me asap.  feel free to email or call me
directly. 919/684-3540.

thanks - kevin

--

hi all -

sorry for the delay in replying.  i've been quite wrapped up in both
work and trying to fit in vacation before my daughter starts
kindergarten and my vacation schedule is dictated by the durham public
school system.

the discussion has been great.  thanks for input.  it appears that
there
is support for the idea of a name change, but i would like to offer
folks the opportunity to present contrary points of view or alternate
ideas or suggestions.  please feel free to present these directly to
the
list or to me privately if you prefer.

additionally, i'm seeking volunteers for a small working group that
will
be responsible for the coming up with the following:

[1] a new name (or keeping the current name)
[2] the mechanism for changing through resna (we already have an idea
of
how this can happen)
[3] a rationale for both of the above

i'm looking for a group of about 4-6 people who will agree to hold an
email discussion addressing the above topics and coming up with a
recommendation and plan.  i would like it if the working group could
report back with a recommendation and plan by the end of september if
not sooner.

please contact me directly to participate in this effort.

thanks - kevin caves

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#294 From: "Scott Draper" <drapersa@ihs.org>
Date: Thu Sep 25, 2003 2:16 pm
Subject: Re: CPT & AT Assessment
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Glenn,

I was unable to attend the RESNA conference this year.  Are there any
new updates to the AT CPT code process?  We are trying to figure out how
I might be able to charge for some services after the 1st of the year.
Are there any good resources that I could turn to for information on
that?  Any information you could provide me would be greatly
appreciated.

Thank you,



____________________________
Scott Draper, MSBE, ATP
Biomedical-Rehabilitation Engineer
Bio-Tech Services
Iowa Methodist Medical Center
1200 Pleasant St.
Des Moines, IA  50309
(515) 241-8351
(515) 241-5098 (fax)
drapersa@ihs.org


>>> ghedman@uic.edu 04/25/03 10:40AM >>>
>Glenn,
>
>Can a rehab engineer bill Medicare using these new codes or does it
>still have to be an OT/PT, etc.  In other words, does this open up an
>opportunity for rehab engineers to charge directly for our services?
>Also, are their stipulations on what Medicare would cover (ATP, RET,
>etc.?)  Thank you for working hard on this as this is obviously very
>important!
>
>
>
>____________________________
>Scott Draper, MSBE, ATP

Yes, it will let Rehab Engineers bill for services.  The language of
the Assessment code is fairly general, so the type of AT service
being provided is inclusive of what we do.  The code does not
stipulate who can use it (the AMA essentially sets up the codes for
physician use) but the ATP and RET credentials are certainly one way
that an individual can state qualifications.

We will clarify the "who" questions between now and the Conference.
Keep in mind that the codes are used by some third-party payers other
than Medicare for classification of services / coverage issues, and
the "who" questions need to be answered for each.

GH

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Assistive Technology Unit
Department of Disability and Human Development
University of Illinois at Chicago

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#297 From: Glenn Hedman <ghedman@uic.edu>
Date: Sun Sep 28, 2003 9:33 pm
Subject: Re: CPT & AT Assessment
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>Glenn,
>
>I was unable to attend the RESNA conference this year.  Are there any
>new updates to the AT CPT code process?  We are trying to figure out how
>I might be able to charge for some services after the 1st of the year.
>Are there any good resources that I could turn to for information on
>that?  Any information you could provide me would be greatly
>appreciated.


SD:

The AT Assessment code should appear in the fall printing of CPT
Codes for 2004.  Also offerred should be the separate publication
"CPT Changes", which devotes 1-2 pages on each new code, and gives
examples of use.

AT Fitting and Training is to be handled thru 2 existing codes, per
the psring e-mails.

RE-PSG Chair Kevin Caves is trying to start a database to give
members a was to submit data on use of the codes by REs and RETs.
That way, if there are any denials by some 3rd party payers, such as
Medicare, RESNA will be able to show a collection of data on how the
work is recognized, and paid for by other 3rd party payers.

Kevin will e-mail the RE-PSG when this is set up.  So as the codes
are used after 01/01/2004, we'll be able to submit the results.  In
the meantime, I'd order the CPT 2004 and CPT Changes documents.

GH

>
>Thank you,
>
>
>
>____________________________
>Scott Draper, MSBE, ATP
>Biomedical-Rehabilitation Engineer
>Bio-Tech Services
>Iowa Methodist Medical Center
>1200 Pleasant St.
>Des Moines, IA  50309
>(515) 241-8351
>(515) 241-5098 (fax)
>drapersa@ihs.org
>
>
>>>>  ghedman@uic.edu 04/25/03 10:40AM >>>
>>Glenn,
>>
>>Can a rehab engineer bill Medicare using these new codes or does it
>>still have to be an OT/PT, etc.  In other words, does this open up an
>>opportunity for rehab engineers to charge directly for our services?
>>Also, are their stipulations on what Medicare would cover (ATP, RET,
>>etc.?)  Thank you for working hard on this as this is obviously very
>>important!
>>
>>
>>
>>____________________________
>>Scott Draper, MSBE, ATP
>
>Yes, it will let Rehab Engineers bill for services.  The language of
>the Assessment code is fairly general, so the type of AT service
>being provided is inclusive of what we do.  The code does not
>stipulate who can use it (the AMA essentially sets up the codes for
>physician use) but the ATP and RET credentials are certainly one way
>that an individual can state qualifications.
>
>We will clarify the "who" questions between now and the Conference.
>Keep in mind that the codes are used by some third-party payers other
>than Medicare for classification of services / coverage issues, and
>the "who" questions need to be answered for each.
>
>GH
>
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#298 From: "Jill Boggess" <jboggess@pridemobility.com>
Date: Fri Oct 3, 2003 11:20 am
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Hello! 
 
I am looking for some information on appliances for a kitchen a contractor unfamiliar with doing accessible home modifications is doing.  In particular he is looking for advice (including manufacturers) on cooktops with alternating burners and knobs on the front, a side open oven, and any suggestions regarding a dishwasher (although he believes they may be able to access the standard). 
 
Anyhow, thanks in advance for any info you can provide. 
 
Jill
 
Jill M. Boggess, MSRE, ATP
Custom Applications Engineer
Pride Mobility Products

#299 From: Fred Tchang <ftchang@optonline.net>
Date: Sun Oct 5, 2003 8:06 pm
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A good source for home modification information is www.homemods.org, out of
the University of Southern California.  Their emphasis is on seniors, but
provide information on all aspects of home modifications.  The products link
brings you to different vendors, with descriptions of what they carry.

Fred Tchang, ATP
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#300 From: Ray Grott <rgrott@sfsu.edu>
Date: Mon Oct 6, 2003 3:11 pm
Subject: Head mouse used outdoors
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Hi all,
I'm in the process of replacing someone's head mouse which is used to
access communication software on a laptop. We're moving his Origin
HeadMouse over to his desktop for various reasons, including that
he's had trouble with it outdoors,  so we want to stay with a
reflective dot. Madentec claims the Tracker has been improved for
working in sunlight but I was wondering what peoples' experience has
been with this or other products "out in the field"?

Thanks,
Ray Grott
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