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#241 From: "Gary Downey" <downey@capper.org>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 12:01 pm
Subject: RESNA Professional Liability Insurance Question
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I am looking for some feedback on the professional liability insurance offered
through RESNA. I am interested in having some PERSONAL prof liability insurance
on myself. My organization currently carries some for the whole organization.

I requested the forms from MIMS international and their questions all seem to be
looking for information about the firm/organization. This seems redundant to me
and not really the personal protection I had in mind. But then this is all new
to me. It almost seems like I would have to form my own company to get personal
liability insurance through them.

Has anyone else used MIMS for personal liability protection?

What am I missing here?

Any help or guidance would be appreciated. Thank you.

Gary Downey

#242 From: "M. Bresler @ T. Posner" <mbresler@swattech.com>
Date: Thu Nov 7, 2002 7:35 pm
Subject: Re: RESNA Professional Liability Insurance Question
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We got it for me, but linked it to my wife's company (I am, technically, an
employee of her OT company).  Since I am a Rehab. Engineer, I could not be
covered under her policy.  Anyway, the rates were about $1,600, and only
covers me for Engineering Consultant.  But none of my design work is
covered.  Also, I cannot sign off on my work as a PE with this insurance.
Otherwise, the rates would have been around $20,000!   My wife really
shopped around, and this was all that she could find.

Mark Bresler

>I am looking for some feedback on the professional liability insurance
>offered through RESNA. I am interested in having some PERSONAL prof
>liability insurance on myself. My organization currently carries some for
>the whole organization.
>
>I requested the forms from MIMS international and their questions all seem
>to be looking for information about the firm/organization. This seems
>redundant to me and not really the personal protection I had in mind. But
>then this is all new to me. It almost seems like I would have to form my
>own company to get personal liability insurance through them.
>
>Has anyone else used MIMS for personal liability protection?
>
>What am I missing here?
>
>Any help or guidance would be appreciated. Thank you.
>
>Gary Downey
>
>
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#243 From: Shannon Marullo <smarullo@resna.org>
Date: Fri Nov 8, 2002 6:19 am
Subject: RE: RESNA Professional Liability Insurance Question
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Dear RE-PSG:

The account manager at MIMS International who RESNA members should speak to
is Jennifer Ebert.

The MIMS insurance that would be given is "Errors and Omissions Coverage"
for consultants.
For RESNA Members, this type of insurance through MIMS covers
recommendations, advice, consultation that an applicant may give as an
"Assistive Technology Consultant".


She indicated that MIMS must consider each case/application individually and
present it to their underwriter for approval from the underwriting company,
who would underwrite the insurance.  Approval for insurance depends on the
type and degree of technology an applicant is providing in their insured
services.  MIMS (Ms. Ebert) goes individually to the underwriting company
and "pitches" the insurance application; case-by-case. Ms. Ebert is familiar
with the nature of field of assistive technology and encourages applicants
to provide a substantial amount of information about his/her services so
that she can effectively evaluate the liklihood that the application will be
approved, and so she can effectively and thorougly present an application to
the underwriting company.

She indicated that if an applicant's consulting relates to what she referred
to as, "incidental" or "developmental tools" - the chances of getting
approved for insurance is better than if the consulting relates to things
that more directly impact a human's immediate health and safety.

If person is making a product - this is really more product liability
coverage than Errors and Omissions Coverage.

Hope this helps and please feel free to call me or Ms. Ebert at MIMS
International:  Phone: 410-296-1500   www.mimsintl.com

Shannon Marullo, CCC-SLP
Director, Professional Services

RESNA's 26th International Conference
will be at the Hyatt Regency on Peachtree Street
Atlanta, GA - June 19-23, 2003

Annual Conference Call for Participation Deadlines:
Author Kits for Papers/Posters:  December 9, 2002
Student Design Competition:  December 9, 2002
Student Scientific Paper Competition:  December 9, 2002

Tel.   703/524-6686  ext. 310
FAX: 703/524-6630  TTY: 703/524-6639
smarullo@resna.org
1700 N. Moore St., Suite 1540
Arlington, VA 22209-1903
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The Rehabilitation Engineering and
Assistive Technology Society of
North America







> -----Original Message-----
> From: M. Bresler @ T. Posner [SMTP:mbresler@swattech.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 10:36 PM
> To: RESNAre-psg@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [RESNAre-psg] RESNA Professional Liability Insurance
> Question
>
> We got it for me, but linked it to my wife's company (I am, technically,
> an
> employee of her OT company).  Since I am a Rehab. Engineer, I could not be
> covered under her policy.  Anyway, the rates were about $1,600, and only
> covers me for Engineering Consultant.  But none of my design work is
> covered.  Also, I cannot sign off on my work as a PE with this insurance.
> Otherwise, the rates would have been around $20,000!   My wife really
> shopped around, and this was all that she could find.
>
> Mark Bresler
>
> >I am looking for some feedback on the professional liability insurance
> >offered through RESNA. I am interested in having some PERSONAL prof
> >liability insurance on myself. My organization currently carries some for
> >the whole organization.
> >
> >I requested the forms from MIMS international and their questions all
> seem
> >to be looking for information about the firm/organization. This seems
> >redundant to me and not really the personal protection I had in mind. But
> >then this is all new to me. It almost seems like I would have to form my
> >own company to get personal liability insurance through them.
> >
> >Has anyone else used MIMS for personal liability protection?
> >
> >What am I missing here?
> >
> >Any help or guidance would be appreciated. Thank you.
> >
> >Gary Downey
> >
> >
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#244 From: "Patricia Bahr" <pbahr@gillettechildrens.com>
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 1:17 pm
Subject: Re: [ Wanted: teacher for pre-conference course on rehab engineering/technology]
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Are you still looking for help with a review course for the RET? I may
be able to help.




Patti Bahr
Gillette Technology Center
550 County Rd. D, Suite 12
New Brighton, MN 55112
651 634 1911 (voice)
651 628 4484 (fax)

#245 From: Ronny Gaal <rgaal@sfsu.edu>
Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 5:01 pm
Subject: New e-mail address for Ronny Gaal
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Hello,

I have a new e-mail address, which is rgaal@earthlink.net, already up and
running. After March 31st I will no longer have my old sfsu e-mail address,
although I am still based at the University.

See you on the Internet.

Yours truly,

Ronald P. (Ronny) Gaal, P.Eng.
RET Project, San Francisco State University
2746 Fulton Street, Berkeley, CA 94705-1032
Phone & Fax:  510-849-3202

#246 From: "Patricia Bahr" <pbahr@gillettechildrens.com>
Date: Sat Apr 5, 2003 12:21 pm
Subject: Mouth Keyboard
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Help!

I have a request to find a mouse/keyboard that is essentially keys in a
mouth retainer. It has been several years since I saw the literature on
the device, and I can't recall where I saw it. What I remember is this:
an orthodontist fits the user with a mouth piece that has 9 keys
imbedded in it. The keys are either connected via wire or remote to the
mouse or (adapted) keyboard.

Has anyone seen/read about one?



Patti Bahr
Gillette Technology Center
550 County Rd. D, Suite 12
New Brighton, MN 55112
651 634 1911 (voice)
651 628 4484 (fax)

#247 From: "Gary Downey" <gary.downey@ergo-online.net>
Date: Sat Apr 5, 2003 1:34 pm
Subject: RE: Mouth Keyboard
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Patti,
 
I think you are describing the Tongue Touch Keypad.....
 
 
Good Luck!!!
 
Gary
 

Gary Downey, PE, ATP
Ergo-Online
3020 SW 33rd Street, Suite E
Topeka, Kansas 66614
785-224-9622
gary.downey@ergo-online.net

 
 
 
 
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From: Patricia Bahr [mailto:pbahr@gillettechildrens.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 2:21 PM
To: ATEC96@aol.com; Assistive-tech@state.mn.us; RESNAre-psg@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [RESNAre-psg] Mouth Keyboard

Help!

I have a request to find a mouse/keyboard that is essentially keys in a
mouth retainer. It has been several years since I saw the literature on
the device, and I can't recall where I saw it. What I remember is this:
an orthodontist fits the user with a mouth piece that has 9 keys
imbedded in it. The keys are either connected via wire or remote to the
mouse or (adapted) keyboard.

Has anyone seen/read about one?



Patti Bahr
Gillette Technology Center
550 County Rd. D, Suite 12
New Brighton, MN 55112
651 634 1911 (voice)
651 628 4484 (fax)


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#248 From: Kevin Caves <kevin.caves@duke.edu>
Date: Thu Apr 17, 2003 6:19 am
Subject: RET review course in Atlanta in June
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Hello rehab engineers -

The annual RESNA conference is fast approaching and so is the deadline
to register to the RET exam.  May 9 is the last day to get your
materials into the RESNA office so that you can sit for the exam, which
is scheduled on the afternoon of Tuesday, June 24, just after the
conference.

For those of you who are a few RESNA conferences away from engineering
school, we are trying to arrange an engineering review class.  This
class will be held outside of RESNA and off the conference grounds so
that it can truly be an RET review class.

Jerry Weisman, ATP, RET, a legend in rehab engineering, has agreed to
conduct the course.  Jerry is one of the first people to receive the RET
credential.  The cost for the course will be nominal (likely under
$50).  The course will be held at CATEA at Georgia Tech (we can all ride
over in Sprigle's minivan…)   Learning objectives and topics to be
covered are listed below.

I'm trying to gage interest in the participating in this class and
taking the exam in June.  Please get back to me or the list if you are
interested in taking this review course.  Information on register for
the RET exam can be found at:

http://www.resna.org/certify/index.html

Glenn Hedman, ATP, RET, is working with the AMA regarding CPT AT
Assessment Codes.  The hope is that in the next few weeks we will get a
final value assigned, and that the codes will be available for use
starting January 1, 2004.  The RET credential is one way to build your
credentials for using the code with 3rd party payers.

Kevin Caves, ATP, RET-wannabe…

Rehabilitation Engineering Technology Exam Review

This course is meant to be a review of fundamental engineering
principles typically included in the RET certification exam.  It is
meant for those who have engineering or other technical degrees and have
been practicing rehabilitation engineering technology for a number of
years.  Principles and theory will be presented along with sample
problems.

1.  Upon completion of the course the student will have reviewed the
basic principles and theory of statics, dynamics, mechanics of
materials, kinematics, electrical circuit theory, microprocessor
application.

2.  Upon completion of the course the student will have reviewed and be
able to define the application of rehabilitation engineering principles
to the assessment of delivery of assistive technology.

3.  The student will have practiced solving example problems in all
areas defined above.

Topic(s) Covered:

Mechanics, statics, dynamics
Mechanics of materials, design of structures
Kinematics, design of mechanisms
Electrical circuit theory
Microprocessor theory and design
Rehabilitation Engineering practice and design
Summary, overview, questions

#249 From: "McGrew, Greg" <mcgrewg@helenhayeshosp.org>
Date: Thu Apr 17, 2003 8:19 am
Subject: RE: RET review course in Atlanta in June
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Kevin,
Thanks to you, Sprigle, and certainly Jerry the Legend, for making this
happen.  $50 will barely by dinner at a Yankee's game, so this is a heck of
a deal, and should stay with you longer.  Count me in.

For those who don't know the area, Ga. Tech is only a short drive from the
conference.  I should have access to a car when I'm there, and will be happy
to help cart people over.  Sprigle always drives 5 under the posted speed
limit, so if time's a problem you may want to go with me.

-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Caves [mailto:kevin.caves@duke.edu]
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 9:19 AM
To: RE-PSG List
Subject: [RESNAre-psg] RET review course in Atlanta in June


Hello rehab engineers -

The annual RESNA conference is fast approaching and so is the deadline
to register to the RET exam.  May 9 is the last day to get your
materials into the RESNA office so that you can sit for the exam, which
is scheduled on the afternoon of Tuesday, June 24, just after the
conference.

For those of you who are a few RESNA conferences away from engineering
school, we are trying to arrange an engineering review class.  This
class will be held outside of RESNA and off the conference grounds so
that it can truly be an RET review class.

Jerry Weisman, ATP, RET, a legend in rehab engineering, has agreed to
conduct the course.  Jerry is one of the first people to receive the RET
credential.  The cost for the course will be nominal (likely under
$50).  The course will be held at CATEA at Georgia Tech (we can all ride
over in Sprigle's minivan...)   Learning objectives and topics to be
covered are listed below.

I'm trying to gage interest in the participating in this class and
taking the exam in June.  Please get back to me or the list if you are
interested in taking this review course.  Information on register for
the RET exam can be found at:

http://www.resna.org/certify/index.html

Glenn Hedman, ATP, RET, is working with the AMA regarding CPT AT
Assessment Codes.  The hope is that in the next few weeks we will get a
final value assigned, and that the codes will be available for use
starting January 1, 2004.  The RET credential is one way to build your
credentials for using the code with 3rd party payers.

Kevin Caves, ATP, RET-wannabe...

Rehabilitation Engineering Technology Exam Review

This course is meant to be a review of fundamental engineering
principles typically included in the RET certification exam.  It is
meant for those who have engineering or other technical degrees and have
been practicing rehabilitation engineering technology for a number of
years.  Principles and theory will be presented along with sample
problems.

1.  Upon completion of the course the student will have reviewed the
basic principles and theory of statics, dynamics, mechanics of
materials, kinematics, electrical circuit theory, microprocessor
application.

2.  Upon completion of the course the student will have reviewed and be
able to define the application of rehabilitation engineering principles
to the assessment of delivery of assistive technology.


3.  The student will have practiced solving example problems in all
areas defined above.

Topic(s) Covered:

Mechanics, statics, dynamics
Mechanics of materials, design of structures
Kinematics, design of mechanisms
Electrical circuit theory
Microprocessor theory and design
Rehabilitation Engineering practice and design
Summary, overview, questions


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#250 From: William Armstrong <warmstrong@rehabchicago.org>
Date: Thu Apr 17, 2003 8:28 am
Subject: RE: RET review course in Atlanta in June
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Kevin,

Sounds great!
I'd be interested in the review course, although I may not sit for the exam
until RESNA '94. Would the review course be on Friday, June 20th??

Thanks,
Bill Armstrong

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> From: Kevin Caves [SMTP:kevin.caves@duke.edu]
> Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 8:19 AM
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> Subject: [RESNAre-psg] RET review course in Atlanta in June
>
> Hello rehab engineers -
>
> The annual RESNA conference is fast approaching and so is the deadline
> to register to the RET exam.  May 9 is the last day to get your
> materials into the RESNA office so that you can sit for the exam, which
> is scheduled on the afternoon of Tuesday, June 24, just after the
> conference.
>
> For those of you who are a few RESNA conferences away from engineering
> school, we are trying to arrange an engineering review class.  This
> class will be held outside of RESNA and off the conference grounds so
> that it can truly be an RET review class.
>
> Jerry Weisman, ATP, RET, a legend in rehab engineering, has agreed to
> conduct the course.  Jerry is one of the first people to receive the RET
> credential.  The cost for the course will be nominal (likely under
> $50).  The course will be held at CATEA at Georgia Tech (we can all ride
> over in Sprigle's minivan...)   Learning objectives and topics to be
> covered are listed below.
>
> I'm trying to gage interest in the participating in this class and
> taking the exam in June.  Please get back to me or the list if you are
> interested in taking this review course.  Information on register for
> the RET exam can be found at:
>
> http://www.resna.org/certify/index.html
>
> Glenn Hedman, ATP, RET, is working with the AMA regarding CPT AT
> Assessment Codes.  The hope is that in the next few weeks we will get a
> final value assigned, and that the codes will be available for use
> starting January 1, 2004.  The RET credential is one way to build your
> credentials for using the code with 3rd party payers.
>
> Kevin Caves, ATP, RET-wannabe...
>
> Rehabilitation Engineering Technology Exam Review
>
> This course is meant to be a review of fundamental engineering
> principles typically included in the RET certification exam.  It is
> meant for those who have engineering or other technical degrees and have
> been practicing rehabilitation engineering technology for a number of
> years.  Principles and theory will be presented along with sample
> problems.
>
> 1.  Upon completion of the course the student will have reviewed the
> basic principles and theory of statics, dynamics, mechanics of
> materials, kinematics, electrical circuit theory, microprocessor
> application.
>
> 2.  Upon completion of the course the student will have reviewed and be
> able to define the application of rehabilitation engineering principles
> to the assessment of delivery of assistive technology.
>
> 3.  The student will have practiced solving example problems in all
> areas defined above.
>
> Topic(s) Covered:
>
> Mechanics, statics, dynamics
> Mechanics of materials, design of structures
> Kinematics, design of mechanisms
> Electrical circuit theory
> Microprocessor theory and design
> Rehabilitation Engineering practice and design
> Summary, overview, questions
>
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#251 From: Glenn Hedman <ghedman@uic.edu>
Date: Fri Apr 25, 2003 7:50 am
Subject: CPT & AT Assessment
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Success!

The proposed code for AT Assessment cleared the last hurdle
yesterday, and will be in the CPT code book coming out this fall for
use as of January 1, 2004.

Big thanks go to Jeannie Minkel, and many colleagues at AOTA and
APTA, who worked through the difficult process over the past 2 years.
Additionally, many RESNA leaders such as Steve Sprigle, Simon Levine,
Peggy Barker, Greg McGrew, and Kevin Caves made important efforts
over the years that were essential parts of this process.  All who
worked on this over the years deserve a cold drink.

While RESNA, AOTA, and APTA proposed a second new code regarding AT
Fitting and Training, we were instructed to use existing codes for
this.  97535 (Self-care, Home mgmt trg) already includes language
covering AT.  97537 (Community / work reintegration trg) will be
modified to include AT for the fall book for use January 1, 2004 as
well.

Please note codes 92605, 92606, 92607, 92608, and 92609 are already
in place and available for use regarding Augmentative Communication
devices and systems.  ASHA was very supportive of RESNA, AOTA, and
APTA throughout the process of achieving the AT Assessment code.

The details on language and use of the code will be thoroughly
discussed at the RESNA Confernce; look for information soon on the
website or through e-mail that will let you know of these.

Thanks to all those who provided information on your work during
various stages of the process.  All those efforts paid off.

GH

--
Glenn Hedman, PE, ATP, RET
Assistive Technology Unit
Department of Disability and Human Development
University of Illinois at Chicago

#252 From: "Scott Draper" <drapersa@ihs.org>
Date: Fri Apr 25, 2003 7:49 am
Subject: Re: CPT & AT Assessment
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Glenn,

Can a rehab engineer bill Medicare using these new codes or does it
still have to be an OT/PT, etc.  In other words, does this open up an
opportunity for rehab engineers to charge directly for our services?
Also, are their stipulations on what Medicare would cover (ATP, RET,
etc.?)  Thank you for working hard on this as this is obviously very
important!



____________________________
Scott Draper, MSBE, ATP
Biomedical-Rehabilitation Engineer
Bio-Tech Services
Iowa Methodist Medical Center
1200 Pleasant St.
Des Moines, IA  50309
(515) 241-8351
(515) 241-5098 (fax)
drapersa@ihs.org


>>> ghedman@uic.edu 04/25/03 09:50AM >>>
Success!

The proposed code for AT Assessment cleared the last hurdle
yesterday, and will be in the CPT code book coming out this fall for
use as of January 1, 2004.

Big thanks go to Jeannie Minkel, and many colleagues at AOTA and
APTA, who worked through the difficult process over the past 2 years.
Additionally, many RESNA leaders such as Steve Sprigle, Simon Levine,
Peggy Barker, Greg McGrew, and Kevin Caves made important efforts
over the years that were essential parts of this process.  All who
worked on this over the years deserve a cold drink.

While RESNA, AOTA, and APTA proposed a second new code regarding AT
Fitting and Training, we were instructed to use existing codes for
this.  97535 (Self-care, Home mgmt trg) already includes language
covering AT.  97537 (Community / work reintegration trg) will be
modified to include AT for the fall book for use January 1, 2004 as
well.

Please note codes 92605, 92606, 92607, 92608, and 92609 are already
in place and available for use regarding Augmentative Communication
devices and systems.  ASHA was very supportive of RESNA, AOTA, and
APTA throughout the process of achieving the AT Assessment code.

The details on language and use of the code will be thoroughly
discussed at the RESNA Confernce; look for information soon on the
website or through e-mail that will let you know of these.

Thanks to all those who provided information on your work during
various stages of the process.  All those efforts paid off.

GH

--
Glenn Hedman, PE, ATP, RET
Assistive Technology Unit
Department of Disability and Human Development
University of Illinois at Chicago

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#253 From: Glenn Hedman <ghedman@uic.edu>
Date: Fri Apr 25, 2003 8:40 am
Subject: Re: CPT & AT Assessment
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>Glenn,
>
>Can a rehab engineer bill Medicare using these new codes or does it
>still have to be an OT/PT, etc.  In other words, does this open up an
>opportunity for rehab engineers to charge directly for our services?
>Also, are their stipulations on what Medicare would cover (ATP, RET,
>etc.?)  Thank you for working hard on this as this is obviously very
>important!
>
>
>
>____________________________
>Scott Draper, MSBE, ATP

Yes, it will let Rehab Engineers bill for services.  The language of
the Assessment code is fairly general, so the type of AT service
being provided is inclusive of what we do.  The code does not
stipulate who can use it (the AMA essentially sets up the codes for
physician use) but the ATP and RET credentials are certainly one way
that an individual can state qualifications.

We will clarify the "who" questions between now and the Conference.
Keep in mind that the codes are used by some third-party payers other
than Medicare for classification of services / coverage issues, and
the "who" questions need to be answered for each.

GH

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Glenn Hedman, PE, ATP, RET
Assistive Technology Unit
Department of Disability and Human Development
University of Illinois at Chicago

#254 From: "Paul Schwartz" <schwartzpa@uwstout.edu>
Date: Fri Apr 25, 2003 8:53 am
Subject: Re: CPT & AT Assessment
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Hats off to Glenn and the rest of the crew that helped make this possible.
The twenty dollar bill he attached to code change request must have paid
off!  For those out there wondering about joining RESNA or know colleagues
who would be a good fit for membership, this work that Jeannie, Glenn and
many others (all on their own time!) really show the value having an
organization that speaks directly to us as AT professionals.  Is RESNA worth
the cost of membership?  If you like what you do and believe in what you do
and would like to see the field stabilize and prosper, the answer is clear.
Besides, where else would you get to see a labcoat with tails?

Thanks again for your efforts.

Paul

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University of Wisconsin-Stout
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> Success!
>
> The proposed code for AT Assessment cleared the last hurdle
> yesterday, and will be in the CPT code book coming out this fall for
> use as of January 1, 2004.
>

#255 From: casarge@aol.com
Date: Fri Apr 25, 2003 8:47 am
Subject: Re: CPT & AT Assessment
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Congratulations and many thanks for all of your efforts!  Great work! We are
indebted!
Carol

#256 From: jminkel@aol.com
Date: Fri Apr 25, 2003 9:03 am
Subject: Re: CPT & AT Assessment
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To all -

Greeting from the CPT world, I just want to provide some clarification.

1. The code is not officially recognized until it is printed in the 2004 CPT manual.  While we have every expectation that the AT Assessment code will be printed in the 977XX series - as my Grandmother used to say - "many a slip between the cup and the lip" --- or said another way - it is not real until it is published.

2. The CPT manual is owned by the AMA - individual payers choose to implement use of the codes to meet their coverage plan.  Just because a code is in the book does not mean all payers will reimburse for the procedure -- that is true for all procedures not just the AT Assessment code.

In other words, all the hard work has pointed us in the right directions but until the 2004 manual is published, we can not be sure how payers will choose to implement the codes as published.

.....Much more information to be give at RESNA 2003 - REGISTER NOW and book your room at the Hyatt (we need to fill the room block!!).

Thanks,
Jeannie Minkel

#257 From: "Law, David F." <lawdf@wwrc.state.va.us>
Date: Fri Apr 25, 2003 2:10 pm
Subject: RE: CPT & AT Assessment
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Is there anything that we (the clinicians) can do to plead the happening?  Dave
Law

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To all -

Greeting from the CPT world, I just want to provide some clarification.

1. The code is not officially recognized until it is printed in the 2004 CPT
manual.  While we have every expectation that the AT Assessment code will be
printed in the 977XX series - as my Grandmother used to say - "many a slip
between the cup and the lip" --- or said another way - it is not real until it
is published.

2. The CPT manual is owned by the AMA - individual payers choose to implement
use of the codes to meet their coverage plan.  Just because a code is in the
book does not mean all payers will reimburse for the procedure -- that is true
for all procedures not just the AT Assessment code.

In other words, all the hard work has pointed us in the right directions but
until the 2004 manual is published, we can not be sure how payers will choose to
implement the codes as published.

.....Much more information to be give at RESNA 2003 - REGISTER NOW and book your
room at the Hyatt (we need to fill the room block!!).

Thanks,
Jeannie Minkel

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#258 From: Stephen Sprigle <gogators@compuserve.com>
Date: Sat Apr 26, 2003 8:41 am
Subject: RE: RVU
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any word on the RVU of the code?

#259 From: "Robert Van Etten" <vanetten@adelphia.net>
Date: Mon Apr 28, 2003 8:08 am
Subject: RE: RET review course in Atlanta in June
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Kevin

Would be interested in taking the exam.

Robert Van Etten, ME, BSE, ATP

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Hello rehab engineers -

The annual RESNA conference is fast approaching and so is the deadline
to register to the RET exam.  May 9 is the last day to get your
materials into the RESNA office so that you can sit for the exam, which
is scheduled on the afternoon of Tuesday, June 24, just after the
conference.

For those of you who are a few RESNA conferences away from engineering
school, we are trying to arrange an engineering review class.  This
class will be held outside of RESNA and off the conference grounds so
that it can truly be an RET review class.

Jerry Weisman, ATP, RET, a legend in rehab engineering, has agreed to
conduct the course.  Jerry is one of the first people to receive the RET
credential.  The cost for the course will be nominal (likely under
$50).  The course will be held at CATEA at Georgia Tech (we can all ride
over in Sprigle's minivan…)   Learning objectives and topics to be
covered are listed below.

I'm trying to gage interest in the participating in this class and
taking the exam in June.  Please get back to me or the list if you are
interested in taking this review course.  Information on register for
the RET exam can be found at:

http://www.resna.org/certify/index.html

Glenn Hedman, ATP, RET, is working with the AMA regarding CPT AT
Assessment Codes.  The hope is that in the next few weeks we will get a
final value assigned, and that the codes will be available for use
starting January 1, 2004.  The RET credential is one way to build your
credentials for using the code with 3rd party payers.

Kevin Caves, ATP, RET-wannabe…

Rehabilitation Engineering Technology Exam Review

This course is meant to be a review of fundamental engineering
principles typically included in the RET certification exam.  It is
meant for those who have engineering or other technical degrees and have
been practicing rehabilitation engineering technology for a number of
years.  Principles and theory will be presented along with sample
problems.

1.  Upon completion of the course the student will have reviewed the
basic principles and theory of statics, dynamics, mechanics of
materials, kinematics, electrical circuit theory, microprocessor
application.

2.  Upon completion of the course the student will have reviewed and be
able to define the application of rehabilitation engineering principles
to the assessment of delivery of assistive technology.

3.  The student will have practiced solving example problems in all
areas defined above.

Topic(s) Covered:

Mechanics, statics, dynamics
Mechanics of materials, design of structures
Kinematics, design of mechanisms
Electrical circuit theory
Microprocessor theory and design
Rehabilitation Engineering practice and design
Summary, overview, questions


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#260 From: Glenn Hedman <ghedman@uic.edu>
Date: Fri May 9, 2003 7:10 am
Subject: RE / RET Salary Survey 2003
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RE-PSG salary survey!!!

We ran a RE-PSG Salary Survey during 2000, and still get inquiries
about the results today.  So we are running the salary Survey again,
and will report the results at the RE-PSG Meeting at the RESNA
Conference in Atlanta.

Use the following link to get to the Survey:

http://www.resna.org/sigs/repsg/salarysurvey2003.htm

You can fill it out on your computer, but please then print and fax
to me at the number indicated.  This will help ensure that you are
not identified as you respond.  No cover sheet is needed; we will be
looking for these reponses.

Unlike Chicago elections, please submit only 1 response.  Responses
are due June 6, 2003.

e me with any questions or problems.  Big thanks to RE-PSG Chair
Kevin Caves for his support / feedback and Dave Jaffe for making the
electronic access happen.

GH

--
Glenn Hedman, PE, ATP, RET
Assistive Technology Unit
Department of Disability and Human Development
University of Illinois at Chicago

#261 From: Glenn Hedman <ghedman@uic.edu>
Date: Fri May 9, 2003 12:08 pm
Subject: Salary Survey responses & Q3
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Lots of salary surveys are coming in...great response so far.  Some
are not answering Q3 on full years of experience...please check your
form and see if you provided this info, as it is part of the analysis
we will do...if you missed it, please re-fax and indicate it is a
duplicate so that I can match it up with what I have already.

thanks,

GH

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Assistive Technology Unit
Department of Disability and Human Development
University of Illinois at Chicago

#262 From: Jerry Weisman <jweisman@vtc.vsc.edu>
Date: Fri May 23, 2003 8:30 am
Subject: FYI
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Thought y'all might be interested in this.  I don't know what ultimately
happened.  Jerry

LEGISLATION TO EXPAND "ENGINEER" TITLE PASSES TEXAS SENATE

On Tuesday, S. 277, an act relating to the continuation and functions of
the Texas Board of Professional Engineers and to the regulation of the
practice of
Engineering introduced by Senator Rodney Ellis, passed the Senate.  Last
Thursday, ASME Region X sent a letter to the full Senate objecting to the
bill's provisions expanding the "engineer" title.  Section 19 (f) of the
bill states, "a regular employee of a business entity who is engaged in
engineering activities but is exempt from the licensing requirements of
this chapter under Sections 1001.057 or 1001.058 is not prohibited from
using the term "engineer" on a business card, cover letter, or other form
of correspondence that is made available to the public."  A copy of the
letter can be found at: http://www.asme.org/gric/ps/2003/03-05a.html

The bill now moves to the Texas House for consideration.  ASME's Region X
has been working with other groups to oppose such provisions.  For more
information, contact Melissa Murray at murraym@asme.org.

#263 From: Glenn Hedman <ghedman@uic.edu>
Date: Mon Jun 2, 2003 1:44 pm
Subject: RE / RET Salary Survey 2003
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just a reminder that the 2003 RE-PSG salary survey is due this
Friday, June 6.  please send the survey in by the end of the day for
it to be included in the survey...thanks...gh

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from May 9...

RE-PSG salary survey!!!

We ran a RE-PSG Salary Survey during 2000, and still get inquiries
about the results today.  So we are running the salary Survey again,
and will report the results at the RE-PSG Meeting at the RESNA
Conference in Atlanta.

Use the following link to get to the Survey:

http://www.resna.org/sigs/repsg/salarysurvey2003.htm

You can fill it out on your computer, but please then print and fax
to me at the number indicated.  This will help ensure that you are
not identified as you respond.  No cover sheet is needed; we will be
looking for these reponses.

Unlike Chicago elections, please submit only 1 response.  Responses
are due June 6, 2003.

e me with any questions or problems.  Big thanks to RE-PSG Chair
Kevin Caves for his support / feedback and Dave Jaffe for making the
electronic access happen.

GH

--
Glenn Hedman, PE, ATP, RET
Assistive Technology Unit
Department of Disability and Human Development
University of Illinois at Chicago

#264 From: Glenn Hedman <ghedman@uic.edu>
Date: Fri Jun 6, 2003 10:18 am
Subject: Salary surveys - LAST CALL
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If you have not turned in a Salary Survey, please do so by the end of
business today.  Thanks.

GH

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Use the following link to get to the Survey:

http://www.resna.org/sigs/repsg/salarysurvey2003.htm
--
Glenn Hedman, PE, ATP, RET
Assistive Technology Unit
Department of Disability and Human Development
University of Illinois at Chicago

#265 From: "M. Bresler & T. Posner" <mbresler@swattech.com>
Date: Sun Jun 15, 2003 7:03 pm
Subject: RE Reinbursement
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Hi,

I am comming to the conference for Sat and most of Sun. Am I correct
in remenbering there is going to be a meeting about RE reinbursement
during the conference?

Looking forward to seeing everyone

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Trudy Posner, MS, OTR/L, Director of Product Services
Southwest Assistive Technology Inc.
PO Box 639
West Haverstraw, NY 10993
(888) 388-SWAT
(845) 947-0377 voice
email: sales@swattech.com
website: http://www.swattech.com

#266 From: "Paul Schwartz" <schwartzpa@uwstout.edu>
Date: Thu Jul 31, 2003 12:47 pm
Subject: what's in a name?
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Dear PSG-04 folks,
 
At RESNA 2003, I floated the incredibly popular idea of reviewing the name of the RE-PSG.  Although the leadership wanted to spend all evening on the subject at the meeting, I demurred and agreed to bring it up again later in the summer.  For those not in attendance, my question was this: 
 
Are those without an engineering background adequately represented in this PSG?  The existing PSGs are:
 
suppliers and manufacturers
physical therapists
occupational therapists
rehab engineers
orthotists and prosthetists
slp/audio
educators
 
My sense is that those without an ABET degree don't feel part of the "club" and therefore are more apt to skip the meeting or not voice an opinion.  It may be argued that control is given to those who show up, but if they don't feel like they are represented, why should they?
 
A number of options are available:
 
   a) status quo--perhaps I'm the only one who thinks this is an issue
 
   b)  2 PSGs-- one for technicians and one for engineers
 
   c)  name change--Rehab Engineers and Technologists
 
   d) keeping the name, but adding the technologist verbiage into the blurb that accompanies the title in the annual conference program and website.
 
   e) pi * R squared
 
Anybody?
 
Thanks for your time,
 
Paul
 
Paul J. Schwartz, MSIE, ATP, CPE
Stout Vocational Rehabilitation Institute
University of Wisconsin-Stout
221 10th Ave/121 VRB
Menomonie, WI 54751
schwartzpa@uwstout.edu
voice (715)232-2378
fax (715)232-5008
 
 
 

#267 From: David Savage <beetlegeuse6@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri Aug 1, 2003 6:32 am
Subject: Re: Digest Number 113
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I always felt like an outcast at the meetings, has
been ten years since I attended one.

david savage ba. atp

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> Dear PSG-04 folks,
>
> At RESNA 2003, I floated the incredibly popular idea
> of reviewing the name of the RE-PSG.  Although the
> leadership wanted to spend all evening on the
> subject at the meeting, I demurred and agreed to
> bring it up again later in the summer.  For those
> not in attendance, my question was this:
>
> Are those without an engineering background
> adequately represented in this PSG?  The existing
> PSGs are:
>
> suppliers and manufacturers
> physical therapists
> occupational therapists
> rehab engineers
> orthotists and prosthetists
> slp/audio
> educators
>
> My sense is that those without an ABET degree don't
> feel part of the "club" and therefore are more apt
> to skip the meeting or not voice an opinion.  It may
> be argued that control is given to those who show
> up, but if they don't feel like they are
> represented, why should they?
>
> A number of options are available:
>
>    a) status quo--perhaps I'm the only one who
> thinks this is an issue
>
>    b)  2 PSGs-- one for technicians and one for
> engineers
>
>    c)  name change--Rehab Engineers and
> Technologists
>
>    d) keeping the name, but adding the technologist
> verbiage into the blurb that accompanies the title
> in the annual conference program and website.
>
>    e) pi * R squared
>
> Anybody?
>
> Thanks for your time,
>
> Paul
>
> Paul J. Schwartz, MSIE, ATP, CPE
> Stout Vocational Rehabilitation Institute
> University of Wisconsin-Stout
> 221 10th Ave/121 VRB
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#268 From: "Jill Boggess" <jboggess@pridemobility.com>
Date: Fri Aug 1, 2003 7:16 am
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It seems to me that the long term ideal solution and short term ideal solution are two different things.  As membership grows and roles become more defined- I would think it likely that both (engineers and technologists) will want two separate PSG's.  I think it is likely that each will have different issues / concerns / needs / etc.  However, currently, I think that our roles overlap to such an extent in many cases and membership is small enough in each that we would be a much stronger group combined.
 
Anyhow, just my two cents on the matter.  Would be nice to make sure everyone is included.  
 
Jill
 
Jill M. Boggess, MSRE, ATP
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Pride Mobility Products
 
 
 
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> Dear PSG-04 folks,
>
> At RESNA 2003, I floated the incredibly popular idea
> of reviewing the name of the RE-PSG.  Although the
> leadership wanted to spend all evening on the
> subject at the meeting, I demurred and agreed to
> bring it up again later in the summer.  For those
> not in attendance, my question was this: 
>
> Are those without an engineering background
> adequately represented in this PSG?  The existing
> PSGs are:
>
> suppliers and manufacturers
> physical therapists
> occupational therapists
> rehab engineers
> orthotists and prosthetists
> slp/audio
> educators
>
> My sense is that those without an ABET degree don't
> feel part of the "club" and therefore are more apt
> to skip the meeting or not voice an opinion.  It may
> be argued that control is given to those who show
> up, but if they don't feel like they are
> represented, why should they?
>
> A number of options are available:
>
>    a) status quo--perhaps I'm the only one who
> thinks this is an issue
>
>    b)  2 PSGs-- one for technicians and one for
> engineers
>
>    c)  name change--Rehab Engineers and
> Technologists
>
>    d) keeping the name, but adding the technologist
> verbiage into the blurb that accompanies the title
> in the annual conference program and website.
>
>    e) pi * R squared
>
> Anybody?
>
> Thanks for your time,
>
> Paul
>
> Paul J. Schwartz, MSIE, ATP, CPE
> Stout Vocational Rehabilitation Institute
> University of Wisconsin-Stout
> 221 10th Ave/121 VRB
> Menomonie, WI 54751
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#269 From: Jim Lenker <lenker@buffalo.edu>
Date: Fri Aug 1, 2003 7:25 am
Subject: Re: what's in a name?
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Paul,
A couple of thoughts...

1. re: rationale for the name change

I applaud your spirit of inclusiveness.  It probably makes the most
sense to organize the PSG around the RET credential.  Ultimately, the
RET will be the professional trait that is common to members.  In
addition, the RET will likely be the platform from which the PSG bases
its professional development efforts (e.g. CPT codes, reimbursement,
outcomes measurement, educational preparation, continuing education,
etc.).

2. re: the name for the PSG

Given the above rationale "Rehab Engineering Technologist" PSG (RET
PSG) seems to make the most sense as our official name.  No doubt that
it would still be referred to as the "Rehab Engineers PSG" in
conversation, but at least the official name and descriptive
verbiage would be where it needs to be.

Alternatively, I would favor calling ourselves the "Paul Schwartz Group"
so we could be the "PSG-PSG".

Jim



Quoting Paul Schwartz <schwartzpa@uwstout.edu>:

> Dear PSG-04 folks,
>
> At RESNA 2003, I floated the incredibly popular idea of reviewing the
> name > of the RE-PSG.  Although the leadership wanted to spend all
evening
> on the > subject at the meeting, I demurred and agreed to bring it up
again
> later in>  the summer.  For those not in attendance, my question was
> this:
>
> Are those without an engineering background adequately represented in
> this > PSG?  The existing PSGs are:
>
> suppliers and manufacturers
> physical therapists
> occupational therapists
> rehab engineers
> orthotists and prosthetists
> slp/audio
> educators
>
> My sense is that those without an ABET degree don't feel part of the
> "club">  and therefore are more apt to skip the meeting or not voice
an
> opinion.  I> t may be argued that control is given to those who show
up, but if
> they don> 't feel like they are represented, why should they?
>
> A number of options are available:
>
>    a) status quo--perhaps I'm the only one who thinks this is an
> issue
>
>    b)  2 PSGs-- one for technicians and one for engineers
>
>    c)  name change--Rehab Engineers and Technologists
>
>    d) keeping the name, but adding the technologist verbiage into the
> blurb>  that accompanies the title in the annual conference program
and
> website.
>
>    e) pi * R squared
>
> Anybody?
>
> Thanks for your time,
>
> Paul
>
> Paul J. Schwartz, MSIE, ATP, CPE
> Stout Vocational Rehabilitation Institute
> University of Wisconsin-Stout
> 221 10th Ave/121 VRB
> Menomonie, WI 54751
> schwartzpa@uwstout.edu
> voice (715)232-2378
> fax (715)232-5008
>
>
>
>

#270 From: "Matthew Scholtens" <mscholtens@mfbrc.com>
Date: Fri Aug 1, 2003 7:31 am
Subject: RE: Digest Number 113
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I think Jill's statement is right on.  The immediate solution of combining the engineers and technologists seems to be the way to go.  Since our membership is currently on the smaller side, the pooling of ideas from these two groups would seem to increase the overall value of information shared.  I reviewed the RET definition and there is no hard definition of an "engineer", but rather the person shall apply engineering principles for solutions.  I think the name change to include the technologists (i.e.. RE to RET) would be appropriate.
 
Just my thoughts, but what do I know anyway!
Matthew Scholtens, MS
Rehab Technology Center
360 Lafayette Street SE, Suite 330
Grand Rapids, MI 49503-4679
Phone: 616.356.1892
Fax: 616.356.1868
-----Original Message-----
From: Jill Boggess [mailto:jboggess@pridemobility.com]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 10:16 AM
To: RESNAre-psg@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [RESNAre-psg] Digest Number 113

It seems to me that the long term ideal solution and short term ideal solution are two different things.  As membership grows and roles become more defined- I would think it likely that both (engineers and technologists) will want two separate PSG's.  I think it is likely that each will have different issues / concerns / needs / etc.  However, currently, I think that our roles overlap to such an extent in many cases and membership is small enough in each that we would be a much stronger group combined.
 
Anyhow, just my two cents on the matter.  Would be nice to make sure everyone is included.  
 
Jill
 
Jill M. Boggess, MSRE, ATP
Custom Applications Engineer
Pride Mobility Products
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: [RESNAre-psg] Digest Number 113

I always felt like an outcast at the meetings, has
been ten years since I attended one.

david savage ba. atp

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>    From: "Paul Schwartz" <schwartzpa@uwstout.edu>
> Subject: what's in a name?
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> Dear PSG-04 folks,
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> At RESNA 2003, I floated the incredibly popular idea
> of reviewing the name of the RE-PSG.  Although the
> leadership wanted to spend all evening on the
> subject at the meeting, I demurred and agreed to
> bring it up again later in the summer.  For those
> not in attendance, my question was this: 
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> Are those without an engineering background
> adequately represented in this PSG?  The existing
> PSGs are:
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> suppliers and manufacturers
> physical therapists
> occupational therapists
> rehab engineers
> orthotists and prosthetists
> slp/audio
> educators
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> My sense is that those without an ABET degree don't
> feel part of the "club" and therefore are more apt
> to skip the meeting or not voice an opinion.  It may
> be argued that control is given to those who show
> up, but if they don't feel like they are
> represented, why should they?
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> A number of options are available:
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>    a) status quo--perhaps I'm the only one who
> thinks this is an issue
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>    b)  2 PSGs-- one for technicians and one for
> engineers
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>    c)  name change--Rehab Engineers and
> Technologists
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>    d) keeping the name, but adding the technologist
> verbiage into the blurb that accompanies the title
> in the annual conference program and website.
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>    e) pi * R squared
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> Anybody?
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> Thanks for your time,
>
> Paul
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> Paul J. Schwartz, MSIE, ATP, CPE
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