thanks ric and gary.  maureen, you're in...

Ricardo Cerna wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> This is Ric Cerna, Louisiana tech University and I second the motion.
>
> Ric

Congrats Maureen




Mark I. Bresler MBME, PE, President
Trudy Posner, MS, OTR/L, Director of Product Services
Southwest Assistive Technology Inc.
PO Box 639
West Haverstraw, NY 10993
(888) 388-SWAT
(845) 947-0377 voice
email: sales@swattech.com
website: http://www.swattech.com

Hi,

My wife being on the board of the NY OT association, recieved the following
email and attachment from the NYSOTA chair.

Am I right in being upset about this? Trudy has spent countless, countless
hours this summer setting up a company combining her OT and my RE skills.
Insurance is a major consideration, with rates for an "engineering
consultant " very high, and those for an engineer using a PE seal
exorbitant, what are the rules for nonprofits?

I think we have gone through this with the Volunteers for Medical
Engineering (VME) but don't remember how it resolved

What are everyone's  thoughts?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------

     Hi All, This is a communication I received from the "Tetra  Society".
They want to start a branch in NY. She is sending some  brochures.  If
anyone is interested or knows anyone who might be interested  in this
position, I thought I would pass it along.  It is not really a job  posting
since the salary is pittance.  It is really more in the league of  paid
volunteer.  However since it is a sort of job, I did not feel  comfortable
putting this in the newsletter,  though if they start a NY  chapter we
should help them get the word out as all services are free for  clients! I
will send the actual post in the nest email. Sue   Thank you so much for
your time this morning.  I am attaching the job  posting we had discussed
and hopefully you will forward to anyone who may be  interested or that may
know of someone who would be interested in the  position.

I am mailing you brochures etc on the Tetra Society of North  America as
requested.  We are an independent,  charitable society  dedicated to
assisting people with disabilities achieve an enriched quality of  life
within the community.  We are based in Vancouver, Canada however do  have
chapters located across Canada, in Los Angeles, CA and Columbus,OH.   We do
not compete with commercially available devices as all of our projects
originate form a request from the person with the disability it is a very
hands  on and successful organization.

We are hoping to develop a Chapter in New  York as well as San Francisco.
At present I have had requests from the New  York area.  I am in need of a
Coordinator who on a part time basis can  represent Tetra and create
awareness of our society, generating requests and  recruiting engineers and
OT's to help complete projects.

Any way with  which you would be able to assist in my search would be
appreciated.   Should anyone require further clarification or information
please do not  hesitate to contact me.

Thank you,

Shellie  Whittaker
National & United States Coordinator
Box 27, Suite  A304
770 Pacific Blvd. S
Vancouver, BC  V6B 5E7
(604) 688-6464  ext. 110

-------------------------

Mark I. Bresler MBME, PE, President
Trudy Posner, MS, OTR/L, Director of Product Services
Southwest Assistive Technology Inc.
PO Box 639
West Haverstraw, NY 10993
(888) 388-SWAT
(845) 947-0377 voice
email: sales@swattech.com
website: http://www.swattech.com

Mark:-

Perhaps being from the 'hot-bed' of Tetra's involvement I could shed
some light upon this.

Tetra does, surprisingly, perform a service where no one else fits.

The goals from inception to now really haven't changed.  Tetra came out
of the mind of one of our former patients, now a City Councillor, the
founded of the Disabled Sailing Association which has been replicated
worldwide (and Tetra's second project).

They provide unique, one-off solutions, to clients without any funding
support.  The client pays for the cost of materiel.  The
'service-providers' typically were they not providing this sort of
support would be doing so in Mexico or Guatemala.  The Provincial
Government provides some office space on the old Expo '86 lands and a
modest grant for office support - something in the order of $ 60 K US
per annum.

They cluster a group of retired engineers with an odd ball assortment
of skills.  The engineers provide a product which has been
pre-determined by the client's team - be it private or public; be they
OT's, PT's, SLP's, Voc, or whatever.

Granted our funding models are significantly different here in Canada
however the actual folks doing the work are in fact covered under Good
Samaritan legislation.

We utilise Tetra folks one at least weekly basis where we can find no
government interest in funding, when our over-time hours are already
completely out of line, and when the problem is clearly defined with
strong outcome measures in place.

Last weeks example was for a trumpet mount for a gal who plays
one-handed, and propellers her manual chair one-handed.  The text-book
solution would use DJ Technical CS-20 hardware mounting with a custom
bracket for some $ 600 (Cdn $).  The Tetra 'engineer' provided an ABS
solution for $ 29 (Cdn) which will get her through enough hoops to prove
she is deserving of the classy, ever-lasting, robust expensive model.

So in response to your enquiry this is a group you could work with.  I
wouldn't encourage you to be upset at all.

And yes Mark, we have met at many of the RESNA affairs over the years.

Cheers

Doug

DP Gayton CD ATP
Assistive Technology & Seating Service
GF Strong Rehab Centre
Vancouver Hospital & Health Sciences Centre
Vancouver Coastal Health Authority
4255 Laurel Street
Vancouver, British Columbia   V5Z 2G9
604 734-1313  loc 2507
604 734-1363 facsimile
www.assistive-technology.ca

hi all -

we've got a really important activity to accomplish regarding cpt codes
in the next two weeks. deadline for this activity is oct 18, 2002.

next week you should receive a survey on the mail from resna.  please
fill the thing out and fax it into the resna office when you receive
your survey.  we really need to these to move the process forward.

thanks - kevin

executive summary of what follows:

1. your participation is important!!
2. you will receive a survey in the mail from resna next week
3. we need you to fill it and fax it to the office by friday, oct 18!!
4. if you have any question ONCE YOU GET THE SURVEY please call:
         Jean Minkel, 845-496-5022
         Glenn Hedman, 312-413-7784
         Kevin Caves, 919-684-3540
         Greg McGrew, 800/707-3422 x4587
5. the survey is interested in "typical assessment service." assessment
does not include training, fitting or fabrication
6. a copy of the letter you will receive next week follows

--

RESNA and the RE-PSG continue to work on the process of establishing CPT
codes for Assistive Technology services provided by Rehabilitation
Engineers and other AT service providers.  This process is now at the
phase where the AMA gathers information from service providers about the
work performed under proposed CPT codes.

You will receive a survey during the next 10 days which is the AMA
instrument used to gather this information, pertaining to the proposed
AT Assessment code.  IT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO FILL THE SURVEY OUT
AND RETURN IT PROMPTLY.  The turnaround time for this phase is short,
and there is much analysis of the results which needs to take place
afterward.  If an adequate number of responses are obtained, the results
will be presented to the AMA during late January / early February.  If
not, the process will be delayed for several months.

--

October 4, 2002

Dear Colleague:

Your immediate response to the enclosed survey is critical.

Over the past several years, RESNA has been participating in the
American Medical Association's (AMA's) Health Care Professionals
Advisory Committee (HCPAC) to assure inclusion of CPT codes that can be
used by service providers in the field of Assistive Technology.  Part of
this process involves providing information from which the AMA
recommends relative values (RVUs) to the Centers for Medicare and
Medicaid (CMS).  These RVUs are used to calculate the amount per code
that CMS pays for Medicare outpatient (Part B) therapy.  These relative
values also are used by other insurers to determine their rates for
therapy services.

The American Medical Association tentatively has approved a new CPT code
for assistive technology assessment.  This code was proposed by the
Rehabilitation Engineering and Assistive Technology Society of North
America (RESNA) and AOTA.  It is expected that, rehabilitation
engineers, occupational therapists, physical therapists (and others)
will use this code.  We anticipate that it will be added to CPT 2004.
Until the code is added officially to CPT 2004, it cannot be used.

Once new codes have been accepted by the CPT Editorial Panel, they must
then be surveyed to determine their relative value in the Resource-based
Relative Value Scale, the mechanism used by Medicare and many other
payors to determine payment levels. We are enclosing the first of two
surveys required to determine relative value.  This first survey (the
"work survey") is designed to determine the relative work value that
should be associated with performing the work described by the new
code.  The survey seeks information about how much provider time is
expended to perform the service, the extent of the providers' mental
effort and judgment required to perform the service, and the potential
for stress upon a provider when an adverse outcome related to the
service occurs.

The work survey process consists of providing some information about
your practice setting and selecting a reference code from an enclosed
list that you think most closely relates to the new code.  Various
questions then are asked relative to both the new and reference code, to
try to draw as complete a comparison as possible between the codes.  And
finally you are asked to select a relative value for the new code based
on the information you have completed.

It is important to note the following as you read the survey.
"       The survey uses the word "physician" at various times.  This is
meant
to mean the appropriate provider of care.  You should substitute your
professional designation (e.g., rehabilitation engineer) in place of the
word "physician" when reading the questions.

"       Ignore the discussion in the survey documents regarding "global
periods".  This information is not relevant to the proposed code.

"       Description of pre-service time, intra-service time and
post-service
time: The general definitions as they apply to evaluation and management
codes should help you understand the concept of pre, intra, and
post-service time.

"       You must have the Reference Service List available to complete
the
work survey.  The RVUs in this list do not relate to time or any other
concrete value.  They are solely a measure of relativity from which to
make a determination of the RVU for the new code.  Your decision will be
based on your analysis of the work required for 15 minutes of the
assistive technology assessment relative to the work required for the
reference code you select.

"       Your answers should be for a typical patient - not the most
complex or
least complex, but the type of patient you typically see for this
service.  Refer to the vignette of the typical patient at the beginning
of the survey.

Your thoughtful completion of these forms is essential, as the data
compiled from these surveys have a direct bearing on the level of
payment you receive for therapy. Medicare has accepted the results of
this survey process for over 95% of the codes presented, and the
resulting RVUs are increasingly used by other payors.

We must receive your completed form by Friday, October 18, 2002. You can
respond in any of the following ways, but Fax would be preferable:
Fax:  (703) 524-6630

Mail: RESNA
          Attn: Shannon Marullo
          1700 N. Moore Street, Suite 1540
           Arlington, VA  22209-1903

If you have questions about this survey, you may call the following
people for assistance.

Jean Minkel, 845-496-5022
Glenn Hedman, 312-413-7784
Kevin Caves, 919-684-3540
Greg McGrew, 800/707-3422 x4587

Do not miss the October 18, 2002 due date.

Sincerely,
Kevin Caves, ATP
RE-PSG Chair

Kevin -

Perhaps you know the answer to this, perhaps not...  In the survey letter it
says, "It is expected that, rehabilitation engineers, occupational
therapists, physical therapists (and others) will use this code."  Does
"(and others)" include RET's?

Thanks,
Jonathan Cruce
Technology Access Center of Middle Tennessee
2222 Metrocenter Blvd, Ste 126
Nashville, TN  37228
Phone: 615-248-6733
Fax: 615-259-2536
jonathan@mindstate.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Caves" <kevin.caves@duke.edu>
To: "RE-PSG List" <RESNAre-psg@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 1:38 PM
Subject: [RESNAre-psg] Important: CPT code survey


> hi all -
>
> we've got a really important activity to accomplish regarding cpt codes
> in the next two weeks. deadline for this activity is oct 18, 2002.
>
> next week you should receive a survey on the mail from resna.  please
> fill the thing out and fax it into the resna office when you receive
> your survey.  we really need to these to move the process forward.
>
> thanks - kevin
>
> executive summary of what follows:
>
> 1. your participation is important!!
> 2. you will receive a survey in the mail from resna next week
> 3. we need you to fill it and fax it to the office by friday, oct 18!!
> 4. if you have any question ONCE YOU GET THE SURVEY please call:
>         Jean Minkel, 845-496-5022
>         Glenn Hedman, 312-413-7784
>         Kevin Caves, 919-684-3540
>         Greg McGrew, 800/707-3422 x4587
> 5. the survey is interested in "typical assessment service." assessment
> does not include training, fitting or fabrication
> 6. a copy of the letter you will receive next week follows
>
> --
>
> RESNA and the RE-PSG continue to work on the process of establishing CPT
> codes for Assistive Technology services provided by Rehabilitation
> Engineers and other AT service providers.  This process is now at the
> phase where the AMA gathers information from service providers about the
> work performed under proposed CPT codes.
>
> You will receive a survey during the next 10 days which is the AMA
> instrument used to gather this information, pertaining to the proposed
> AT Assessment code.  IT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO FILL THE SURVEY OUT
> AND RETURN IT PROMPTLY.  The turnaround time for this phase is short,
> and there is much analysis of the results which needs to take place
> afterward.  If an adequate number of responses are obtained, the results
> will be presented to the AMA during late January / early February.  If
> not, the process will be delayed for several months.
>
> --
>
> October 4, 2002
>
> Dear Colleague:
>
> Your immediate response to the enclosed survey is critical.
>
> Over the past several years, RESNA has been participating in the
> American Medical Association's (AMA's) Health Care Professionals
> Advisory Committee (HCPAC) to assure inclusion of CPT codes that can be
> used by service providers in the field of Assistive Technology.  Part of
> this process involves providing information from which the AMA
> recommends relative values (RVUs) to the Centers for Medicare and
> Medicaid (CMS).  These RVUs are used to calculate the amount per code
> that CMS pays for Medicare outpatient (Part B) therapy.  These relative
> values also are used by other insurers to determine their rates for
> therapy services.
>
> The American Medical Association tentatively has approved a new CPT code
> for assistive technology assessment.  This code was proposed by the
> Rehabilitation Engineering and Assistive Technology Society of North
> America (RESNA) and AOTA.  It is expected that, rehabilitation
> engineers, occupational therapists, physical therapists (and others)
> will use this code.  We anticipate that it will be added to CPT 2004.
> Until the code is added officially to CPT 2004, it cannot be used.
>
> Once new codes have been accepted by the CPT Editorial Panel, they must
> then be surveyed to determine their relative value in the Resource-based
> Relative Value Scale, the mechanism used by Medicare and many other
> payors to determine payment levels. We are enclosing the first of two
> surveys required to determine relative value.  This first survey (the
> "work survey") is designed to determine the relative work value that
> should be associated with performing the work described by the new
> code.  The survey seeks information about how much provider time is
> expended to perform the service, the extent of the providers' mental
> effort and judgment required to perform the service, and the potential
> for stress upon a provider when an adverse outcome related to the
> service occurs.
>
> The work survey process consists of providing some information about
> your practice setting and selecting a reference code from an enclosed
> list that you think most closely relates to the new code.  Various
> questions then are asked relative to both the new and reference code, to
> try to draw as complete a comparison as possible between the codes.  And
> finally you are asked to select a relative value for the new code based
> on the information you have completed.
>
> It is important to note the following as you read the survey.
> "       The survey uses the word "physician" at various times.  This is
> meant
> to mean the appropriate provider of care.  You should substitute your
> professional designation (e.g., rehabilitation engineer) in place of the
> word "physician" when reading the questions.
>
> "       Ignore the discussion in the survey documents regarding "global
> periods".  This information is not relevant to the proposed code.
>
> "       Description of pre-service time, intra-service time and
> post-service
> time: The general definitions as they apply to evaluation and management
> codes should help you understand the concept of pre, intra, and
> post-service time.
>
> "       You must have the Reference Service List available to complete
> the
> work survey.  The RVUs in this list do not relate to time or any other
> concrete value.  They are solely a measure of relativity from which to
> make a determination of the RVU for the new code.  Your decision will be
> based on your analysis of the work required for 15 minutes of the
> assistive technology assessment relative to the work required for the
> reference code you select.
>
> "       Your answers should be for a typical patient - not the most
> complex or
> least complex, but the type of patient you typically see for this
> service.  Refer to the vignette of the typical patient at the beginning
> of the survey.
>
> Your thoughtful completion of these forms is essential, as the data
> compiled from these surveys have a direct bearing on the level of
> payment you receive for therapy. Medicare has accepted the results of
> this survey process for over 95% of the codes presented, and the
> resulting RVUs are increasingly used by other payors.
>
> We must receive your completed form by Friday, October 18, 2002. You can
> respond in any of the following ways, but Fax would be preferable:
> Fax:  (703) 524-6630
>
> Mail: RESNA
>          Attn: Shannon Marullo
>          1700 N. Moore Street, Suite 1540
>           Arlington, VA  22209-1903
>
> If you have questions about this survey, you may call the following
> people for assistance.
>
> Jean Minkel, 845-496-5022
> Glenn Hedman, 312-413-7784
> Kevin Caves, 919-684-3540
> Greg McGrew, 800/707-3422 x4587
>
> Do not miss the October 18, 2002 due date.
>
> Sincerely,
> Kevin Caves, ATP
> RE-PSG Chair
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> RESNAre-psg-unsubscribe@egroups.com
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>

jonathan -

i'm going to answer this, but also bring in jean minkel in case i give
out bad info.

yes, RET is included.  so fill the thing out and get it back in.

good question jonathan.

kevin

jonathan wrote:
>
> Kevin -
>
> Perhaps you know the answer to this, perhaps not...  In the survey letter it
> says, "It is expected that, rehabilitation engineers, occupational
> therapists, physical therapists (and others) will use this code."  Does
> "(and others)" include RET's?
>
> Thanks,
> Jonathan Cruce

Ronny Gaal <rgaal@sfsu.edu> wrote:
> ---------------------------------------------
> Attachment: 
> MIME Type: multipart/alternative
> ---------------------------------------------
Wanted
Rehabilitation Engineer(s) and/or technologist(s) to teach or team-teach a
half or full-day Pre-Conference Instructional Course at RESNA 2003 in
Atlanta (Thursday or Friday, June 19 or 20).

RESNA’s Rehabilitation Engineering Professional Specialty Group (RE-PSG) is
looking for a rehabilitation engineer(s) or technologist(s) to teach a new,
intermediate-level course on rehabilitation engineering and technology
during the pre-conference portion of the upcoming RESNA 2003 conference in
Atlanta 2003.  This session will likely fall under the “Practice &
Application” track of the new three track system.  If team-taught, the
instructors do not need to be from the same organization or state.  The
descriptions below are intended to assist in instructor recruitment and
course development, and are not mandatory requirements.

Purpose
·       Provide more technical and engineering professional development for
rehabilitation engineers and technologists who attend the conference
·       Recruit new attendees to RESNA 2003

Audience
The primary intended audience is engineers and technologists, both students
and professionals, with and without formal rehabilitation training.

Possible Topics and Course Outline
·       Assessment and trials
·       Design processes
·       Product modification
·       Fabrication
·       Testing
·       Outcomes
·       Billing and business practices
·       Best practices
·       Case studies

Desirable Qualifications
·       Three or more years professional experience in rehabilitation
engineering/technology service delivery and/or design
·       Professional practice in diverse areas of rehabilitation
engineering and assistive technology (e.g. mobility/seating, job
accommodation, AAC, computer access, ADL)
·       Bachelor’s degree or higher in an engineering or assistive
technology discipline
·       Experience teaching workshops or post-secondary courses

Benefits
·       Gratitude, respect, likely fame and fortune
·       Free conference registration and cash honorarium

The deadline for submitting proposals is upon us--please contact me right
away if you are able and willing to contribute to RESNA and our profession
in this way. We can help you partner with another presenter if you would
like. If not you, then who? Please let me know if you have recommendations
of fellow RE-PSG types who would be qualified.

Apologies for cross-posting.

Thank you.

Ronald P. (Ronny) Gaal, P.Eng.
RET Project, San Francisco State University
2746 Fulton Street, Berkeley, CA 94705-1032
Voice & Fax:  510-849-3202
Ronny:  I am interested in helping with the rehab engineer courses for
Preconference next June.  Best day for me is Friday.  Thanks and let me know
if you would like to pursue this further.

Just a reminder note to follow up on your packet and Kevin's
post...please be sure to fill out the CPT Survey and send (preferably
by fax) to the RESNA office by THIS FRIDAY, 10/18/2002.

It is really important to get our responses in on time, to keep the
process moving forward.  Thanks.

GH

--
Glenn Hedman, PE, ATP, RET
Assistive Technology Unit
Department of Disability and Human Development
University of Illinois at Chicago

hi all -

it is really important that you get your CPT surveys in to the resna
office by this friday.  if you haven't received a survey in the mail,
email shannon marullo <smarullo@resna.org> at the office NOW.  it
shouldn't take more than about 30 mins to read thru and fill it in.

a couple of points of info on the completing your survey.  there is a
lot of talk about "new/revised CPT" vs. "ref service CPT."  when asked
to judge the complexity/intensity of the two codes, it may be helpful to
think of the "new CPT" as INCLUDING assistive technology and the "ref
service CPT" as NOT INCLUDING AT.

the "typical patient" is what one might typically encounter when
providing these proposed services.  that doesn't mean you must
specialize in services for this population or even being able to provide
ALL the services described.  the typical patient is an example of one
for whom AT service would be appropriate.

please call one of us it you have any questions.  remember this is
really important to the field.

         Jean Minkel, 845-496-5022
         Glenn Hedman, 312-413-7784
         Kevin Caves, 919-684-3540
         Greg McGrew, 800/707-3422 x4587

thanks - kevin

Glenn, I've been on the road with our mobile unit, so I'm a bit out of the loop.
Can I get hold of your survey?  I've been working similarly for over two years,
but it sounds like you're somewhat farther along.   Please keep me posted.  Dave
Law

-----Original Message-----
From: Glenn Hedman [mailto:ghedman@uic.edu]
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 11:49 AM
To: RESNAre-psg@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [RESNAre-psg] CPT Survey - due 10/18


Just a reminder note to follow up on your packet and Kevin's
post...please be sure to fill out the CPT Survey and send (preferably
by fax) to the RESNA office by THIS FRIDAY, 10/18/2002.

It is really important to get our responses in on time, to keep the
process moving forward.  Thanks.

GH

--
Glenn Hedman, PE, ATP, RET
Assistive Technology Unit
Department of Disability and Human Development
University of Illinois at Chicago


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as of this morning, only 9 surveys have been submitted.

this is a very important activity for our profession.  cpt codes are a
huge step that will enable us to bill for rehab engineering and
assistive technology services.  we need a critical mass of surveys in
order to move to the next step with the AMA.  no surveys, no billing.
it's as simple as that.

deadline is friday.  next email i start naming names...

kevin

--

hi all -

it is really important that you get your CPT surveys in to the resna
office by this friday.  if you haven't received a survey in the mail,
email shannon marullo <smarullo@resna.org> at the office NOW.  it
shouldn't take more than about 30 mins to read thru and fill it in.

a couple of points of info on the completing your survey.  there is a
lot of talk about "new/revised CPT" vs. "ref service CPT."  when asked
to judge the complexity/intensity of the two codes, it may be helpful to
think of the "new CPT" as INCLUDING assistive technology and the "ref
service CPT" as NOT INCLUDING AT.

the "typical patient" is what one might typically encounter when
providing these proposed services.  that doesn't mean you must
specialize in services for this population or even being able to provide
ALL the services described.  the typical patient is an example of one
for whom AT service would be appropriate.

please call one of us it you have any questions.  remember this is
really important to the field.

         Jean Minkel, 845-496-5022
         Glenn Hedman, 312-413-7784
         Kevin Caves, 919-684-3540
         Greg McGrew, 888/707-3422 x4587

thanks - kevin

shannon at the resna office can send you an electronic version of the
survey.  you need to print it out and fax it in.

if you haven't received the survey, contact shannon at
<smarullo@resna.org> to get an electronic copy.

kevin

"Law, David F." wrote:
>
> Glenn, I've been on the road with our mobile unit, so I'm a bit out of the
loop.  Can I get hold of your survey?  I've been working similarly for over two
years, but it sounds like you're somewhat farther along.   Please keep me
posted.  Dave Law
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Glenn Hedman [mailto:ghedman@uic.edu]
> Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 11:49 AM
> To: RESNAre-psg@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [RESNAre-psg] CPT Survey - due 10/18
>
> Just a reminder note to follow up on your packet and Kevin's
> post...please be sure to fill out the CPT Survey and send (preferably
> by fax) to the RESNA office by THIS FRIDAY, 10/18/2002.
>
> It is really important to get our responses in on time, to keep the
> process moving forward.  Thanks.
>
> GH
>
> --
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>deadline is friday.  next email i start naming names...
>
He means it!  I'm sure!

hi all-

a bit of supplemental info:  you are released from the survey if you are
not proving AT services inside the US.  the word from the aota (the
group helping us push this thru the ama) says that we can only submit
surveys from individuals providing AT services in the US.

so to you international folks, spend the survey time working on your
resna paper.  :)

thanks to terry blois for the question.

kevin

Kevin

Terry's question raises another potential issue.  The CPT effort has
obvious benefits to the AT field in the U.S.  Will this development have
any potential to influence reimbursement policies in other countries?

Jim

Kevin Caves wrote:

>hi all-
>
>a bit of supplemental info:  you are released from the survey if you are
>not proving AT services inside the US.  the word from the aota (the
>group helping us push this thru the ama) says that we can only submit
>surveys from individuals providing AT services in the US.
>
>so to you international folks, spend the survey time working on your
>resna paper.  :)
>
>thanks to terry blois for the question.
>
>kevin
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good question.  being the ugly american and having no idea of what goes
on in the world that doesn't directly affect me, i couldn't say.  how is
reimbursement for RE services handled n other countries?

kevin

Jim Lenker wrote:
>
> Kevin
>
> Terry's question raises another potential issue.  The CPT effort has
> obvious benefits to the AT field in the U.S.  Will this development have
> any potential to influence reimbursement policies in other countries?
>
> Jim
>
> Kevin Caves wrote:
>
> >hi all-
> >
> >a bit of supplemental info:  you are released from the survey if you are
> >not proving AT services inside the US.  the word from the aota (the
> >group helping us push this thru the ama) says that we can only submit
> >surveys from individuals providing AT services in the US.
> >
> >so to you international folks, spend the survey time working on your
> >resna paper.  :)
> >
> >thanks to terry blois for the question.
> >
> >kevin
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as of this morning, we have 16 surveys in the office.  we're need about
50 by tomorrow afternoon.   i'd like to have 50 by this afternoon.  i
have gotten lots of calls and email from people who are going to send it

in.  please get it in NOW.

shannon in the resna office will be sending you email confirmation as
she receives your survey.  if a few hours go by and you haven't gotten
confirmation, please check with her.

kc's draft list of names for public ridicule and abuse:

badger
usb-boy

>
>kc's draft list of names for public ridicule and abuse:
>
>badger
>usb-boy

I would add
RESNA's own Salt Lake City olympic ski jump official
Steel City Rehab Engineers, esq. (all)
Sunshine State Rehab Engineers (Tampa and Tallahassee)
gh
--
Glenn Hedman, PE, ATP, RET
Assistive Technology Unit
Department of Disability and Human Development
University of Illinois at Chicago

OK, we don't want to seem too similar to an NPR pledge drive, but...

By taking no more than 30 minutes to read thru the CPT packet and
thoughtfully fill out the survey, you help keep this CPT code process
on track.  If we do not get enough surveys turned in, we do not get
to present results in late Jan / early Feb 2003.  That means we would
be postponed til spring 2003, and if they had any questions at that
time that needed further research (not an unlikely scenario) we would
miss the cut-off for 2004 codes....the codes WOULD NOT BE AVAIL JAN
1, 2004, they'd be avail no sooner than Jan 1, 2005.

So investing 30 minutes TODAY could mean avoiding a 1 YEAR DELAY.

Also, please put your name and # and e-mail on the survey, in case we
need to contact you with any questions.  And it lets us send you the
cool NPR tote bag.

GH
--
Glenn Hedman, PE, ATP, RET
Assistive Technology Unit
Department of Disability and Human Development
University of Illinois at Chicago

I'm not sure how it works for others, but I am in a rehab hospital and get
reimbursed in the same manner as OTs and PTs and SLPs.  I work for the
hospital and the hospital is provincially funded.


TB
> ----------
> From:  Kevin Caves[SMTP:kevin.caves@duke.edu]
> Reply To:  RESNAre-psg@yahoogroups.com
> Sent:  Thursday, October 17, 2002 5:55 AM
> To:  RESNAre-psg@yahoogroups.com
> Cc:  Jeanie Minkel
> Subject:  Re: [RESNAre-psg] cpt survey and international providers
>
> good question.  being the ugly american and having no idea of what goes
> on in the world that doesn't directly affect me, i couldn't say.  how is
> reimbursement for RE services handled n other countries?
>
> kevin
>
> Jim Lenker wrote:
> >
> > Kevin
> >
> > Terry's question raises another potential issue.  The CPT effort has
> > obvious benefits to the AT field in the U.S.  Will this development have
> > any potential to influence reimbursement policies in other countries?
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > Kevin Caves wrote:
> >
> > >hi all-
> > >
> > >a bit of supplemental info:  you are released from the survey if you
> are
> > >not proving AT services inside the US.  the word from the aota (the
> > >group helping us push this thru the ama) says that we can only submit
> > >surveys from individuals providing AT services in the US.
> > >
> > >so to you international folks, spend the survey time working on your
> > >resna paper.  :)
> > >
> > >thanks to terry blois for the question.
> > >
> > >kevin
> > >
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slowly surveys are rolling in.  we're at 18 now.  (this is like a
telethon...)

and the ridicule list, it's growing...

occupants of the bunnyhole
members of the resna board of directors
ohio is awful quite
as is NY...
RESNA's own Salt Lake City olympic ski jump official
Steel City Rehab Engineers, esq. (all)
Sunshine State Rehab Engineers (Tampa and Tallahassee)
badger
usb-boy

Shannon from the RESNA office said that some CPT Surveys came in
during the past few days without names on the front page.  If so,
please send in the identifying form, so you can be contacted if there
are questions regarding your responses.  This will avoid your entire
survey being set aside.

GH

--
Glenn Hedman, PE, ATP, RET
Assistive Technology Unit
Department of Disability and Human Development
University of Illinois at Chicago

also, if you didn't get an email confirmation of submission, check with
shannon

703/524-6686 x310

> Shannon from the RESNA office said that some CPT Surveys came in
> during the past few days without names on the front page.  If so,
> please send in the identifying form, so you can be contacted if there
> are questions regarding your responses.  This will avoid your entire
> survey being set aside.

Hot Dang!  Reimbursement AND a Tote Bag?  I was excited over the mere prospect
of getting paid for more of my work, but to think of getting a tote bag TOO!!! 
(Do you have one in TEAL?  I like TEAL!!!)  I also like MAUVE, but I don't know
exactly how to spell it!  Oh, what the h...., just send me a bag!  I now have a
marvelous collection of RESNA's old bags!   DL

-----Original Message-----
From: Glenn Hedman [mailto:ghedman@uic.edu]
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 10:26 AM
To: RESNAre-psg@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [RESNAre-psg] 30 minutes vs. 1 YEAR


OK, we don't want to seem too similar to an NPR pledge drive, but...

By taking no more than 30 minutes to read thru the CPT packet and
thoughtfully fill out the survey, you help keep this CPT code process
on track.  If we do not get enough surveys turned in, we do not get
to present results in late Jan / early Feb 2003.  That means we would
be postponed til spring 2003, and if they had any questions at that
time that needed further research (not an unlikely scenario) we would
miss the cut-off for 2004 codes....the codes WOULD NOT BE AVAIL JAN
1, 2004, they'd be avail no sooner than Jan 1, 2005.

So investing 30 minutes TODAY could mean avoiding a 1 YEAR DELAY.

Also, please put your name and # and e-mail on the survey, in case we
need to contact you with any questions.  And it lets us send you the
cool NPR tote bag.

GH
--
Glenn Hedman, PE, ATP, RET
Assistive Technology Unit
Department of Disability and Human Development
University of Illinois at Chicago


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Law, David F. wrote:

>Hot Dang!  Reimbursement AND a Tote Bag?  I was excited over the mere prospect
of getting paid for more of my work, but to think of getting a tote bag TOO!!! 
(Do you have one in TEAL?  I like TEAL!!!)  I also like MAUVE, but I don't know
exactly how to spell it!  Oh, what the h...., just send me a bag!  I now have a
marvelous collection of RESNA's old bags!   DL
>
Hell...I want one of those bags just for being able to figure out how to
fill out that survey and pretending I'm not an OT at the same time!

hello re-psg -

so it appears that the stick (ridicule list) is more effective than the
carrot (resna tote bag) with this group.  we are up to 49 surveys as of
3:30 pm.  i've spoken with several of you who have promised to get it
in.  i think we're in good shape.  if you've got the survey and you're
providing services, go ahead and send it in.  we wanted 50 returned as a
lower limit.

thanks very much to those of your who have responded and those of you
who are still responding.  with that in mind here is the revised
ridicule list...

off the list:
the girl bunny
some members of the resna board of directors (GA you can rest easy)
ohio and NY made some noise...
RESNA's own Salt Lake City olympic ski jump official
Steel City Rehab Engineers, esq. (thanks AK, RS)
badger (with technical difficulties)
usb-boy

still on the list:
the boy bunny
some members of the resna board of directors
much of ohio was awful quite
as were parts of NY...
Steel City Rehab Engineers, esq. (most)
Sunshine State Rehab Engineers must have been at an early bird buffet...

Got to give some credit to Paul Schwartz. Preparing for going to the
Closing the Gap conference, etc., etc., etc., I figured that this cpt thing
was one thing that I was not going to manage. And despite all the last
minute requests, the form was sitting home on my desk. So Paul shows up
this morning at the conference, hands me a copy of the form and explains
the details for my boggled brain, and I stand at a counter in the exhibit
hall filling it out. Then I hand it off to him to fax when he went back to
his office this afternoon.

Maybe I didn't catch it, but perhaps along with the tote bags you were also
offering a bounty for members who got others to submit the form. . . come
to thing of it, there was something odd about the shotgun Paul was holding
to my head . . .

Ray Grott


At 03:52 PM 10/18/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>hello re-psg -
>
>so it appears that the stick (ridicule list) is more effective than the
>carrot (resna tote bag) with this group.  we are up to 49 surveys as of
>3:30 pm.  i've spoken with several of you who have promised to get it
>in.  i think we're in good shape.  if you've got the survey and you're
>providing services, go ahead and send it in.  we wanted 50 returned as a
>lower limit.
>
>thanks very much to those of your who have responded and those of you
>who are still responding.  with that in mind here is the revised

>ridicule list...
>
>off the list:
>the girl bunny
>some members of the resna board of directors (GA you can rest easy)
>ohio and NY made some noise...
>RESNA's own Salt Lake City olympic ski jump official
>Steel City Rehab Engineers, esq. (thanks AK, RS)
>badger (with technical difficulties)
>usb-boy
>
>still on the list:
>the boy bunny
>some members of the resna board of directors
>much of ohio was awful quite
>as were parts of NY...
>Steel City Rehab Engineers, esq. (most)
>Sunshine State Rehab Engineers must have been at an early bird buffet...
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